lazyboy97o
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So again, what is plan if SeaWorld goes under? Who steps in to care for their animals?
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unkadug
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So denying children of the educational benefits of what the park has to offer should be commended?
You seem to have misplaced priorities.
BTW... what does the picture of the children have to do with your post, except to appeal to emotions? You seem to be doing what the producers of the film are doing instead of presenting an unbiased opinion.
To blindly follow a biased piece of entertainment because it is politically fashionable is unwise and regrettable.
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CaptainessKylie
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After the crowds at seaworld last night I think it's safe to assume that no publicity is bad publicity. The crowds were well managed it felt busy but not omg claustrophobic busy. So happy for Sea World!!
I'm against cancer, should I not donate to or go visit children's cancer centers?
This morning I sent a letter to the principal of the Point Dume Marine Science Elementary School commending her and her students for cancelling their annual field trip to SeaWorld. Cheers to them.....
I expect that other school groups will follow in their example and cancel similar trips.
Change is coming to SeaWorld.
The Shamu show has got to go.
Curious, when you sent the letter, were you sure to include your Twitter handle?
This morning I sent a letter to the principal of the Point Dume Marine Science Elementary School commending her and her students for cancelling their annual field trip to SeaWorld. Cheers to them.....
I expect that other school groups will follow in their example and cancel similar trips.
Change is coming to SeaWorld.
The Shamu show has got to go.
“We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.”
It is statements like the one above that fan the flames of protest.
Do the SeaWorld bosses think it is still 1973 and a gullible public is going to swallow every word they say?
The way to “maintain a healthy social structure” for orcas---animals who live in matriarchal pods---is never to separate a mother from her calf.
SeaWorld routinely separates orca mothers from their calves. There’s a paper trail behind the transfers.
Evidently their position is it’s less risky to tell a lie than it is to tell the truth.
From the book Death At SeaWorld by David Kirby:
“In late 1984, a pregnant Katina was flown to her new home in Orlando. There, on September 26, 1985, she gave birth to Winston’s daughter, Kalina, the world’s first orca successfully bred in captivity. She became a media sensation and was dubbed Baby Shamu. Millions flocked to Orlando to see the highly promoted, first–of-its-kind newborn orca behind glass.
“The world fell in love with Kalina. SeaWorld jumped at the opportunity her arrival presented by launching a Baby Shamu Celebration tour. In February of 1990, at the age of four and a half, the calf was sent to SeaWorld in Ohio, where for eight months she performed in a show with whales she barely knew, followed by a seven-month stint at SeaWorld San Diego. In May 1991, she was flown to SeaWorld San Antonio.”
SeaWorld squeezed every nickel and dime they could out of that baby orca, shipping her all over the country during a promotional tour, separate from her mother.
The following historical data on orca mother/calf separations at SeaWorld comes from The Orca Project Corp:
CAPTIVE BORN (still alive):
Kayla - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Keet - separated from mother at 1 year, 8 months
Takara - separated from mother at 12 years,8 months
Trua - separated from mother at 3 years, 2 months
Tuar - separated from mother at 4 years, 10 months
Unna – separated from mother at 6 years
CAPTIVE BORN (deceased):
Halyn - separated from mother immediately due to mother’srejection
Kalina - separated from mother at 4 years, 4 mos; reunited at 9 years
Katerina - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Splash - separated from mother at 2 years, 6 months
Sumar - separated from mother at 10 months
Taku - separated from mother at 13 years, 2 months; died 11 months later
WILD BORN, SEPARATED AT TIME OF CAPTURE (still alive):
Corky 2 - separated at 3 years
(Corky had 2 miscarriages, 1 stillborn birth, and 4 live calves that died 11 to 48 days after their birth)
Kasatka - separated at 1 - 2 years
(became the first whale to be artificially inseminated in 2000, using Tilikum’s semen)
Katina - separated at 2 - 3 years
(1st “successful” mother in captivity with the birth of her calf Kalina)
Tilikum - separated at about 2 years
Ulises or Ulysses - separated at 2 - 3 years
STILLBORNS, MISCARRIAGES, AND DEATHS DURING BIRTH/PREGNANCY:
Known stillborn orca births in captivity: 14
Known orca miscarriages in captivity: 7
Known deaths of mother and calf during birth or pregnancy: 6
156 Orcas have died in captivity~ 42 Orcas remain in captivity
Orca families across the world have been torn apart to entertain us.
“We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.”
It is statements like the one above that fan the flames of protest.
Do the SeaWorld bosses think it is still 1973 and a gullible public is going to swallow every word they say?
The way to “maintain a healthy social structure” for orcas---animals who live in matriarchal pods---is never to separate a mother from her calf.
SeaWorld routinely separates orca mothers from their calves. There’s a paper trail behind the transfers.
Evidently their position is it’s less risky to tell a lie than it is to tell the truth.
From the book Death At SeaWorld by David Kirby:
“In late 1984, a pregnant Katina was flown to her new home in Orlando. There, on September 26, 1985, she gave birth to Winston’s daughter, Kalina, the world’s first orca successfully bred in captivity. She became a media sensation and was dubbed Baby Shamu. Millions flocked to Orlando to see the highly promoted, first–of-its-kind newborn orca behind glass.
“The world fell in love with Kalina. SeaWorld jumped at the opportunity her arrival presented by launching a Baby Shamu Celebration tour. In February of 1990, at the age of four and a half, the calf was sent to SeaWorld in Ohio, where for eight months she performed in a show with whales she barely knew, followed by a seven-month stint at SeaWorld San Diego. In May 1991, she was flown to SeaWorld San Antonio.”
SeaWorld squeezed every nickel and dime they could out of that baby orca, shipping her all over the country during a promotional tour, separate from her mother.
The following historical data on orca mother/calf separations at SeaWorld comes from The Orca Project Corp:
CAPTIVE BORN (still alive):
Kayla - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Keet - separated from mother at 1 year, 8 months
Takara - separated from mother at 12 years,8 months
Trua - separated from mother at 3 years, 2 months
Tuar - separated from mother at 4 years, 10 months
Unna – separated from mother at 6 years
CAPTIVE BORN (deceased):
Halyn - separated from mother immediately due to mother’srejection
Kalina - separated from mother at 4 years, 4 mos; reunited at 9 years
Katerina - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Splash - separated from mother at 2 years, 6 months
Sumar - separated from mother at 10 months
Taku - separated from mother at 13 years, 2 months; died 11 months later
WILD BORN, SEPARATED AT TIME OF CAPTURE (still alive):
Corky 2 - separated at 3 years
(Corky had 2 miscarriages, 1 stillborn birth, and 4 live calves that died 11 to 48 days after their birth)
Kasatka - separated at 1 - 2 years
(became the first whale to be artificially inseminated in 2000, using Tilikum’s semen)
Katina - separated at 2 - 3 years
(1st “successful” mother in captivity with the birth of her calf Kalina)
Tilikum - separated at about 2 years
Ulises or Ulysses - separated at 2 - 3 years
STILLBORNS, MISCARRIAGES, AND DEATHS DURING BIRTH/PREGNANCY:
Known stillborn orca births in captivity: 14
Known orca miscarriages in captivity: 7
Known deaths of mother and calf during birth or pregnancy: 6
156 Orcas have died in captivity~ 42 Orcas remain in captivity
Orca families across the world have been torn apart to entertain us.
Just curious. How many Orcas have died in the wild and what are you doing to save those animals?
lazyboy97o
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How many will die if SeaWorld goes out of business?
Preston Chatsworth
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_killer_whales
I wonder how many humans have died in the past and how many are alive? The answer is captive breeding because they will know no better.
futurecastmembr
Active Member
It would seem like the best solution would be to keep the orcas in a habitat that more closely resembles a natural environment instead of making them into circus animals.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
And who pays for that?
Interesting. Which circus has Orcas?
futurecastmembr
Active Member
Sea World obviously? You act as if it isn't owned by a multi million dollar corporation.
The ones where people sit in large stadiums and cheer to watch a whale jump out of the water for food.
I think zoos can be very educational and beneficial but its pretty hypocritical for Sea World to claim that it is educational when they don't even show them in ways that simulate their natural behaviors.
I see watching documentaries has taught you well. You have presented information that looks utterly horrible when presented alone. What you have neglected to do is compare Sea Worlds data with what happens in the wild.
“We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.”
It is statements like the one above that fan the flames of protest.
Do the SeaWorld bosses think it is still 1973 and a gullible public is going to swallow every word they say?
The way to “maintain a healthy social structure” for orcas---animals who live in matriarchal pods---is never to separate a mother from her calf.
SeaWorld routinely separates orca mothers from their calves. There’s a paper trail behind the transfers.
Evidently their position is it’s less risky to tell a lie than it is to tell the truth.
From the book Death At SeaWorld by David Kirby:
“In late 1984, a pregnant Katina was flown to her new home in Orlando. There, on September 26, 1985, she gave birth to Winston’s daughter, Kalina, the world’s first orca successfully bred in captivity. She became a media sensation and was dubbed Baby Shamu. Millions flocked to Orlando to see the highly promoted, first–of-its-kind newborn orca behind glass.
“The world fell in love with Kalina. SeaWorld jumped at the opportunity her arrival presented by launching a Baby Shamu Celebration tour. In February of 1990, at the age of four and a half, the calf was sent to SeaWorld in Ohio, where for eight months she performed in a show with whales she barely knew, followed by a seven-month stint at SeaWorld San Diego. In May 1991, she was flown to SeaWorld San Antonio.”
SeaWorld squeezed every nickel and dime they could out of that baby orca, shipping her all over the country during a promotional tour, separate from her mother.
The following historical data on orca mother/calf separations at SeaWorld comes from The Orca Project Corp:
CAPTIVE BORN (still alive):
Kayla - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Keet - separated from mother at 1 year, 8 months
Takara - separated from mother at 12 years,8 months
Trua - separated from mother at 3 years, 2 months
Tuar - separated from mother at 4 years, 10 months
Unna – separated from mother at 6 years
CAPTIVE BORN (deceased):
Halyn - separated from mother immediately due to mother’srejection
Kalina - separated from mother at 4 years, 4 mos; reunited at 9 years
Katerina - separated from mother at 2 years, 5 months
Splash - separated from mother at 2 years, 6 months
Sumar - separated from mother at 10 months
Taku - separated from mother at 13 years, 2 months; died 11 months later
WILD BORN, SEPARATED AT TIME OF CAPTURE (still alive):
Corky 2 - separated at 3 years
(Corky had 2 miscarriages, 1 stillborn birth, and 4 live calves that died 11 to 48 days after their birth)
Kasatka - separated at 1 - 2 years
(became the first whale to be artificially inseminated in 2000, using Tilikum’s semen)
Katina - separated at 2 - 3 years
(1st “successful” mother in captivity with the birth of her calf Kalina)
Tilikum - separated at about 2 years
Ulises or Ulysses - separated at 2 - 3 years
STILLBORNS, MISCARRIAGES, AND DEATHS DURING BIRTH/PREGNANCY:
Known stillborn orca births in captivity: 14
Known orca miscarriages in captivity: 7
Known deaths of mother and calf during birth or pregnancy: 6
156 Orcas have died in captivity~ 42 Orcas remain in captivity
Orca families across the world have been torn apart to entertain us.
What is the infant mortality rate in the wild compared to captivity?
What is the still birth rate in the wild compared to captivity?
On the occasion that a whale does leave the pod, at what age does that happen in the wild compared to captivity?
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
SeaWorld has money because people visit the parks. People want to bring about change by inflicting financial harm. Who pays if the boycotts become too successful?
futurecastmembr
Active Member
What I proposed was a pretty practical solution. They can still sell whale plush toys and make commercials of a CGI Shamu flying through the sky. People would still come to the parks to ride roller coasters and see animals anyway, there's really no need to continue such an outdated concept to get them there.
Right......so what your saying is that it's not ok to have a whale in captivity, but it is ok for dolphins, seals, sharks, rays, and urchins? Don't they have feelings to? Would they call you a hypocrit if they could?
futurecastmembr
Active Member
Are you even reading what I'm writing?? I JUST said that they should just keep them in a more natural environment, and that zoos are a good thing, that was the entire point of my post. Clearly you would blindly defend Sea World no matter what the argument.
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