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[JPatton]

@JPatton let me as you a question. When was the last time you went outside to a beach and helped stranded Dolphins?

Not near the beach. I write checks.

Or make an donation to the organizations who do those activities?

Yesterday.

I am going to assume never.

You assumed wrong.

Who will be come the first response for these Animals in the Wild if Sea World went bankrupt.

Plenty of people.

Change is coming to SeaWorld.

The Shamu show has got to go.

Respect. Not exploitation.

 

[luv]

For one thing, I'm not sure whales were ever captured for any reason other than entertainment. That in itself is a significant difference from killing something to eat it.

Second thing, eggs that we get in the grocery store aren't fertilized, so they aren't "baby chicks."

Eggs aren't baby chicks, but baby chicks are baby chicks. And they die every single day. The boy chicks are killed because they never produce eggs and nobody wants them. Cute, adorable, little, light and fluffy baby chicks...tons of them are sorted out and sent to be killed all the time...because we like eggs.

People who are really into animal rights are upset by this. I can't say I blame them. It's very sad. I felt some pangs of sorrow and guilt when I first learned about it. But, on the flip side, I like eggs and have certainly consumed my fair share of eggs themselves and products made with eggs, before and after I learned about the boy chicks' fate. It would be hypocritical of me to pretend I was outraged when I'm part of the reason it is done. It is rather sad, though.

I don't have a problem with dolphins and killer whales having been captured in the wild. I wouldn't be upset if they did it today. I'm so glad that I got to see them. The oceans can be short one or two for our education and fascination as far as I'm concerned. I do see the flip side and have respect for the opinion that it shouldn't be done, though.

I really do see both sides of this. I just lean on the side of liking zoos and aquariums more than than the Born Free thing. I also like tuna, so there's that.

 

[luv]

Who will be come the first response for these Animals in the Wild if Sea World went bankrupt.

Plenty of people.

Why don't they do it now? If they care enough to spend all that money and not make any of it back, why aren't they doing this now?

 

[lazyboy97o]

What happens if the boycotts ever do hit a real critical mass? That sort of financial hit is not something a company just reverses. Yes, it is possible that SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment could change before the point of no return but it also possible they do not. Does somebody have the resources now to buy the whales and get them to these ocean pens on quick notice? Or what if they're sold to other parks with lesser standards of care? And what of all the other animals across all of the SeaWorld and Busch Gardens parks?

And why hasn't Time Warner pulled the rights to properties they own from parks that engage in such morally deficient behavior?

 

[luv]

What happens if the boycotts ever do hit a real critical mass? That sort of financial hit is not something a company just reverses. Yes, it is possible that SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment could change before the point of no return but it also possible they do not. Does somebody have the resources now to buy the whales and get them to these ocean pens on quick notice? Or what if they're sold to other parks with lesser standards of care? And what of all the other animals across all of the SeaWorld and Busch Gardens parks?

And why hasn't Time Warner pulled the rights to properties they own from parks that engage in such morally deficient behavior?

Nobody cares about what happens to the whales. They haven't thought that part through. They just want to jump on the bandwagon.

Lots of trash talking. Costs nothing, requires no work and it's "in".

Maybe those celebs who were so very upset will pony up the cash to set up ambulances, tanks, pens, vets, medical machines, etc. Maybe they'll continue to fund it forever - pay all the salaries, utility bills, upkeep and maintenance...

But maybe not.

 

[RandomPrincess]

What happens if the boycotts ever do hit a real critical mass? That sort of financial hit is not something a company just reverses. Yes, it is possible that SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment could change before the point of no return but it also possible they do not. Does somebody have the resources now to buy the whales and get them to these ocean pens on quick notice? Or what if they're sold to other parks with lesser standards of care? And what of all the other animals across all of the SeaWorld and Busch Gardens parks?

And why hasn't Time Warner pulled the rights to properties they own from parks that engage in such morally deficient behavior?

I have read many comments that they should just put all the whales back in the oceans. Most people really have no clue they are just reacting to a movie.

 

[Voxel]

@JPatton let me as you a question. When was the last time you went outside to a beach and helped stranded Dolphins?

Not near the beach. I write checks.

Or make an donation to the organizations who do those activities?

Yesterday.

I am going to assume never.

You assumed wrong.

Who will be come the first response for these Animals in the Wild if Sea World went bankrupt.

Plenty of people.

Change is coming to SeaWorld.

The Shamu show has got to go.

Respect. Not exploitation.

I must say I am shock. Your first person I've met who supports the freeing of Orcas and actually does work for the environment. Thank you for breaking the stereotype I have encountered. We may disagree but I have a new found respect for you.

I would agree that plenty of people would respond to crisis but People do not have the same ability/power as Sea World when it comes to truck/flying animals around.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have read many comments that they should just put all the whales back in the oceans. Most people really have no clue they are just reacting to a movie.

While there are some who have given the situation that little thought, it is not the universal case. The ocean pen idea seems to be well supported. But they remain hypotheticals. Yes, SeaWorld likely would incur such costs if they changed their position, but that means relying on Enemy Number 1 for the continued well being of these animals. And that is why I ask what happens if there is no SeaWorld? Would there be care for these animals in the ocean pens? Who has that expertise?

Making SeaWorld into Enemy Number 1 seems to be very short sighted. I just do not see how meaningful change (so not euthanizing or just dumping into the ocean) occurs without SeaWorld or its people. By making this a big public issue I think people will expect some degree of continued care.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if they captured killer whales in the ocean. I don't think it's a terrible thing.

Baby chicks are killed every day. So many adorable baby chicks...dying. Every single day. Because we like eggs.

Cows...and little baby calves...are killed and slaughtered all the time. Because we like cheeseburgers.

Dolphins are kept in theme parks. Because we like looking at them.

That's our world. That's how it goes.

I guess ya don't plan on coming back as a dolphin, a calve, or a chick.

 

[Voxel]

I guess ya don't plan on coming back as a dolphin, a calve, or a chick.

I don't plan on coming back at all. Got my fund started to merge me with machine when the technology gets there.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I don't plan on coming back at all. Got my fund started to merge me with machine when the technology gets there.

Say hello to frozen Walt Disney when you get there.

 

[Voxel]

Say hello to frozen Walt Disney when you get there.

Can do! I will ask him his opinion on it. (Sorry I had to lighten the conversation a bit and you gave a great opportunity).

 

[luv]

I guess ya don't plan on coming back as a dolphin, a calve, or a chick.

Calf, Mr. Animal Lover. They're called "calves" when there is more than one. One is a calf.

 

[TalkingHead]

What does time have to do with the justifications being discussed here? If it's wrong now because they are 'intelligent creatures' - or because the relationship is 'beneficial for both sides', etc. These are all arguments that try to justify the hypocrisy between why it's OK to do exactly what they say we shouldn't do... as long as it's not orcas.

Saying 'it happened tens of thousands of years ago' is just dismissing it without being able to address it. Horses are a great example... they still live wild.. we still capture them, seperate them from their herd, put them in pens, and train them purely for our amusement.

I don't capture wild horses, separate them from the herd, put them in pens, or train them purely for my amusement. But I own a dog. Does that make me a hypocrite? Absolutely not.

Taking a wild animal from its natural habitat isn't the same as owning an animal that has been domesticated over tens of thousands of years.

Equating the two is a false equivalence.

 

[luv]

I don't capture wild horses, separate them from the herd, put them in pens, or train them purely for my amusement. But I own a dog. Does that make me a hypocrite? Absolutely not.

Taking a wild animal from its natural habitat isn't the same as owning an animal that has been domesticated over tens of thousands of years.

Equating the two is a false equivalence.

My cat is absolutely held against her will. She wants out.

She is also made to turn in a circle sometimes in order to get a treat because it amuses me. I can't help myself! She's cute!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't capture wild horses, separate them from the herd, put them in pens, or train them purely for my amusement. But I own a dog. Does that make me a hypocrite? Absolutely not.

Taking a wild animal from its natural habitat isn't the same as owning an animal that has been domesticated over tens of thousands of years.

Equating the two is a false equivalence.

But where is the difference? Thousands of years? Hundreds? Decades?

 

[flynnibus]

I don't capture wild horses, separate them from the herd, put them in pens, or train them purely for my amusement. But I own a dog. Does that make me a hypocrite? Absolutely not.

You keep missing the point - which is about the justifications people are using to define why holding an orca in captivity is wrong. Reasons when applied to other examples shows the reasoning is not applied the same everywhere. So the justifications are not as primal as some would like themselves to believe they are

 

[JPatton]

I don't plan on coming back at all. Got my fund started to merge me with machine when the technology gets there.

Now, that is funny.

 

[jdmdisney99]

But where is the difference? Thousands of years? Hundreds? Decades?

Exactly. They are pretty much a separate species now. Orcas haven't been captured from the wild in 30 years by Sea World, and the majority of captive whales today were born in the parks. It is just like a dog. Dogs used to be wild, but people caught them and brought them home. They adapted to become less ravenous or wild than wolves and such. If you have a dog you understand. Sae goes for the whales. These whales being born in captivity don't understand how to survive in the wild, just like your dog would become confused. It is a new species. JMHO

 

[JPatton]

This morning I sent a letter to the principal of the Point Dume Marine Science Elementary School commending her and her students for cancelling their annual field trip to SeaWorld. Cheers to them.....

I expect that other school groups will follow in their example and cancel similar trips.

Change is coming to SeaWorld.

The Shamu show has got to go.