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George

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See below.

1. The animals in captivity age give all they require in terms of food regardless if they perform or not. The food they are given for performing tend to be a preferred food or treat. Bottom line, the orcas are never sent to bed without dinner.

Correct. They were denied food for non-performance at Sea Land. There is no evidence of Sea World doing this.

2. A fairly valid point, but how do you define confined space? Looking at the range they exist is the wild is a false equivalency as most species "range" is dependent on their food sources. They go where the food is. When a constant food source is found, most species range will reduce drastically.

An unanswerable for sure. But they do travel 100 + miles a day in the wild and don't live as long in captivity, which is a bad sign since for most animals it is the opposite.

3. If suckling pups were being stripped from their mothers you would have a point, but that is not what is happening. It looks like most are separated at around 3-4 years of age if at all. To know if that even begins to be bad we would have to compare it to what happens in the wild. Wheat is the average age of an orca when it leaves the pod?

They live withe their mothers for the entirety of their mother's life. A quote from wikipedia - "Unlike any other mammal species whose social structure is known, residents live with their mothers for their entire lives. These societies are based on matrilines consisting of the matriarch and her descendants which form part of the line, as do their descendants. The average size of a matriline is 5.5 animals."

Personally, I've always had mixed emotions to giant cetaceans being held in captivity. But, perhaps, it does some good. I've never been sure of that, but I'll grant it is a possibility.
 

luv

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Because giving an animal food only if does a trick, keeping it locked up in a confined space, separating it from its mother etc. are not humane. Its not that extreme to simply ask for a more humane environment for the animals. You're not saying anything worthwhile, you're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
It is obvious from this post that you don't actually have any idea what you're talking about. Yet, you presumptuously lecture others.

As if the animals would be starved. It's just nonsense.

If you think all animals should be free and left in the wild, okay, I respect your viewpoint. But ridiculous lies made up just because you specifically want to jump on a bandwagon and Hate Sea World?

Oh, my gosh. I don't know if you made it up or trusted someone who lied to you, but, geez. Until you know what you're talking about, just stop.

This is getting ridiculous.
 

kelknight84

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I just finally watched the movie today. I just can't get past that they would use those former trainers as experts after introducing them as not knowing anything and blindly following. How can I take them as serious now. Most of the other "experts" didnt seem all that credible either. Orcas are wild animals they are dangerous when they want and even in play because of their size.
 

JPatton

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The past does not equal the future...

More than a movie, Blackfish is a movement that will fundamentally change SeaWorld forever....
 

919Florida

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maybe it's time to let them talk to themselves...

When it's clear people are not capable of reasonable examination and discussion... continuing with them only fuels their agenda.

I agree with you and I try to not reply back but sometimes the things that are said just causes me to jump right back in to set the record straight. Some of the things that are said it so out there I just do my best to let the truth be known
 

flynnibus

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I figure when he stops using another's site for the free publicity, I can stop questioning his motives....

If a poster screams in an empty room.. does it make a noise? :) Some people can't be rationalized with.. either due to emotion or simple lack of objectivity. it's best to just let them talk to themselves and then they bore of it and go quiet. The prophet needs responses just as much as the troll does to give their message legs, visibility, and energy.

Using wdwmagic's search result weight won't do much when people find the posts are just some guy talking to himself.
 

wm49rs

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If a poster screams in an empty room.. does it make a noise? :) Some people can't be rationalized with.. either due to emotion or simple lack of objectivity. it's best to just let them talk to themselves and then they bore of it and go quiet. The prophet needs responses just as much as the troll does to give their message legs, visibility, and energy.

Using wdwmagic's search result weight won't do much when people find the posts are just some guy talking to himself.
You're right, no argument. I'll just say that 76,000 members as opposed to 1400 on Twitter is just too appealing for some. Even if his threads don't get a lot of looks....
 

flynnibus

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You're right, no argument. I'll just say that 76,000 members as opposed to 1400 on Twitter is just too appealing for some. Even if his threads don't get a lot of looks....

Yeah - but its not like that's unique. It just comes with the territory.. just like people who insist on putting their threads in the main forums rather than the right forum because they want more views/etc :) The more one-sided a thread is... the less of a discussion it is.. and the less likely it fits on a 'discussion forum' and could draw its own attention from the staff.
 
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