Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who hasn't been in the avengers.
Plenty of combos/characters to pull from the comics

Any someone who’s 26 and hasn’t done cosplay wants to see?

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Any someone who’s 26 and hasn’t done cosplay wants to see?

How would I know ?
I haven't done cosplay nor am I 26.
There are plenty that I would like to see.
The old characters have had their story told. Time to let it go dude.

 

[Disney Irish]

Question: who is in the avengers?

Who hasn't been in the avengers.
Plenty of combos/characters to pull from the comics

Any someone who’s 26 and hasn’t done cosplay wants to see?

And that is what will become clear in Phase 5 and the first part of Phase 6.

But if we go based off of Phase 4 it looks to be, at least starting out:

Shang-Chi
Hulk
She-Hulk
Hawk-Eye (both Clint and Kate)
Ant-Man (depending on the events of Quantumania), Stature, and Wasp
Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel
Captain America (Falcon)
Thor and Love
Dr Strange

Still on the board that could possibly be added in Phase 5/6:

Blade
Deadpool
F4
Guardians and Thunderbolts such as Starlord, Bucky, and Black Widow (Yelana)

 

[Phicinfan]

Question: who is in the avengers?

Which set, per reports there could be as many as 3 different sets ranging from previous avengers to west coast avengers, and young avengers. Not to mention the avengers from other metaverses.

Even Captain Steve Rogers America is supposed to be back for a later movie or two.

 

[Phroobar]

Who hasn't been in the avengers.
Plenty of combos/characters to pull from the comics

The Punisher was never an Avenger.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The Punisher was never an Avenger.

Savage Avengers - Wikipedia

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Being an Avenger is like jury duty for any Marvel character. Eventually, everyone serves.

 

[Phroobar]

Savage Avengers - Wikipedia

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Being an Avenger is like jury duty for any Marvel character. Eventually, everyone serves.

Not unless they tell the prosecuting attorney that "the defendant must be guilty, otherwise he wouldn't be on trail."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How would I know ?
I haven't done cosplay nor am I 26.
There are plenty that I would like to see.
The old characters have had their story told. Time to let it go dude.

And that is what will become clear in Phase 5 and the first part of Phase 6.

But if we go based off of Phase 4 it looks to be, at least starting out:

Shang-Chi
Hulk
She-Hulk
Hawk-Eye (both Clint and Kate)
Ant-Man (depending on the events of Quantumania), Stature, and Wasp
Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel
Captain America (Falcon)
Thor and Love
Dr Strange

Still on the board that could possibly be added in Phase 5/6:

Blade
Deadpool
F4
Guardians and Thunderbolts such as Starlord, Bucky, and Black Widow (Yelana)

I give feige a lot of credit for taking a niche genre and giving it main stream appeal…

But the source is still niche…especially as you ride the ripples out from the splash point.

These movies are certainly not “over performing”…maybe not declining…but it’s hard to argue they haven’t at least leveled off.

We’ll see it play. I’m never right about movies…so you got that going for you…

What I think is glossed is how well the characters and actors developed in the first 10 or so movies. It had depth and wasn’t Rushed. Particularly the captain America arc…and they sorely miss that now. It’s become some CG and cameo attack of the clones type stuff now…more than you want. The films this year have kinda become a cameo mess…

So we’re gonna see it. It’s not about just slapping “avengers” on whoever. The last two good development movies were BP and Captain Marvel…and the bookies hate her on another plane.

I still think X Is the way.

Guardians will do well…after that you have a lot of loose ends mixed bags on the books.

 

[Disney Irish]

I give feige a lot of credit for taking a niche genre and giving it main stream appeal…

But the source is still niche…especially as you ride the ripples out from the splash point.

These movies are certainly not “over performing”…maybe not declining…but it’s hard to argue they haven’t at least leveled off.

We’ll see it play. I’m never right about movies…so you got that going for you…

What I think is glossed is how well the characters and actors developed in the first 10 or so movies. It had depth and wasn’t Rushed. Particularly the captain America arc…and they sorely miss that now. It’s become some CG and cameo attack of the clones type stuff now…more than you want. The films this year have kinda become a cameo mess…

So we’re gonna see it. It’s not about just slapping “avengers” on whoever. The last two good development movies were BP and Captain Marvel…and the bookies hate her on another plane.

I still think X Is the way.

Guardians will do well…after that you have a lot of loose ends mixed bags on the books.

So lets just get this out the way, X-Men (or whatever team name they decide for the MCU) are coming. It might even be hinted at as part of Phase 5/6. If I was to guess the next Saga after this Multiverse Saga wraps up will be the Mutant Saga, so that'll be Phase 7,8, and 9. And that will hopefully be capped off with an Avengers vs X-Men movie at the end of Phase 9. And if that comes true that will be the MCU movie that could seriously rival and surpass Endgame if Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars don't.

Also as @MisterPenguin stated, every character in Marvel has been on one of the Avengers teams at some point. So yeah they can actually just slap "Avengers" on whoever, because that's just how the stories roll. For example we're going to start seeing a lot more anti-heros coming into the MCU, and they are going to be added to the Avengers team to be able to battle Kang.

Also I don't think you give the source comics the respect they deserve. They are a lot more mainstream now then you realize, and yes the MCU is partially responsible for this. Its no longer as niche as you believe it is. This is not the 70s and 80s, its no longer isolated to the readers living in their parents basement.

 

[TP2000]

Were people really expecting this to top the first movie? That would be shocking for a sequel, especially one without its lead character.

After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.

My guess was 25-33% lower than Black Panther, that would be around $900 million to a billion, not sure it’ll quite get there but it’s in the ballpark.

And yet the production budget for Wakanda Forever grew to $250 Million, fifty million more than its original 4 years ago. That made its uphill climb to profitability even steeper. Speaking of profit...

The box office numbers are in for yesterday, the last day that Wakanda Forever has the box office all to itself. Avatar has already opened overseas, and is starting its first showings this afternoon in the USA.

Here's where that domestic box office stands today, and compares with other Marvel films in the last year and the original Black Panther '18 plus Top Gun and Spiderman for '22 reference points.

Reported Production Budget... $250,000,000

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.



And yet the production budget for Wakanda Forever grew to $250 Million, fifty million more than its original 4 years ago. That made its uphill climb to profitability even steeper. Speaking of profit...

The box office numbers are in for yesterday, the last day that Wakanda Forever has the box office all to itself. Avatar has already opened overseas, and is starting its first showings this afternoon in the USA.

Here's where that domestic box office stands today, and compares with other Marvel films in the last year and the original Black Panther '18 plus Top Gun and Spiderman for '22 reference points.

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It’s amazing how well Spider-Man did, it shows there’s still a huge ceiling for the right movie. Same with Top Gun 2, the fact it did so well makes me wonder if Avatar 2 will also have a huge box office, with the current uncertainty in the theater market I could see it hitting a billion but I could also see it flopping. I have no idea how they forecast movies now.

 

[_caleb]

So lets just get this out the way, X-Men (or whatever team name they decide for the MCU) are coming. It might even be hinted at as part of Phase 5/6. If I was to guess the next Saga after this Multiverse Saga wraps up will be the Mutant Saga, so that'll be Phase 7,8, and 9. And that will hopefully be capped off with an Avengers vs X-Men movie at the end of Phase 9. And if that comes true that will be the MCU movie that could seriously rival and surpass Endgame if Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars don't.

Also as @MisterPenguin stated, every character in Marvel has been on one of the Avengers teams at some point. So yeah they can actually just slap "Avengers" on whoever, because that's just how the stories roll. For example we're going to start seeing a lot more anti-heros coming into the MCU, and they are going to be added to the Avengers team to be able to battle Kang.

Also I don't think you give the source comics the respect they deserve. They are a lot more mainstream now then you realize, and yes the MCU is partially responsible for this. Its no longer as niche as you believe it is. This is not the 70s and 80s, its no longer isolated to the readers living in their parents basement.

Love this post, and I agree. Only thing I'm wondering is if they can afford to wait that long to introduce X-Men (and integrate the mutant storyline). The multiverse seemed slow-walked (for some very good reasons) almost to the point of frustrating fans.

 

[TP2000]

It’s amazing how well Spider-Man did, it shows there’s still a huge ceiling for the right movie. Same with Top Gun 2, the fact it did so well makes me wonder if Avatar 2 will also have a huge box office, with the current uncertainty in the theater market I could see it hitting a billion but I could also see it flopping.

Spiderman and Top Gun Maverick were obviously the movies that America wanted and needed in the past year.

I imagine Avatar 2 will have a great first weekend, there's clearly huge interest in it. Where it goes from there is a mystery to me, as that three hour plus run time seems like a problem if the story and plot isn't very good and it just relies on alien visuals and 3D gimmicks to keep the audience entertained.

It seems to me that after the 1 hour mark, you better darn well have a story and plot that the audience is enthralled by, once the computer wizardry and 3D novelty wears off.

I have no idea how they forecast movies now.

Me either! Hollywood seems to be a very mysterious business.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So lets just get this out the way, X-Men (or whatever team name they decide for the MCU) are coming. It might even be hinted at as part of Phase 5/6. If I was to guess the next Saga after this Multiverse Saga wraps up will be the Mutant Saga, so that'll be Phase 7,8, and 9. And that will hopefully be capped off with an Avengers vs X-Men movie at the end of Phase 9. And if that comes true that will be the MCU movie that could seriously rival and surpass Endgame if Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars don't.

Also as @MisterPenguin stated, every character in Marvel has been on one of the Avengers teams at some point. So yeah they can actually just slap "Avengers" on whoever, because that's just how the stories roll. For example we're going to start seeing a lot more anti-heros coming into the MCU, and they are going to be added to the Avengers team to be able to battle Kang.

Also I don't think you give the source comics the respect they deserve. They are a lot more mainstream now then you realize, and yes the MCU is partially responsible for this. Its no longer as niche as you believe it is. This is not the 70s and 80s, its no longer isolated to the readers living in their parents basement.

Your a fan…I get it.

We can all postulate.

Mine is they’re gonna have to reverse course a bit and pay the actors ransom as they try and maintain juice. Just an assumption after spending a few years on the planet…

You’ve got 45 more movies queue up in just this post.

So you’re taking the “over” and I’m taking the “under”

Good discussion either way

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Avatar 2 is rocking an 80% on the critic tomatometer as of now…

…that’s a warning flag

 

[Disney Irish]

Your a fan…I get it.

Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.

We can all postulate.

Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.

Mine is they’re gonna have to reverse course a bit and pay the actors ransom as they try and maintain juice. Just an assumption after spending a few years on the planet…

If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....

Well for at least Evan and Johansson that is already rumored to be the case for either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both.

However RDJ said recently that he doesn't believe there is anything more he can do with the character, so it would have to be a really compelling story and reason for Tony to return, ie he isn't coming back for just a paycheck. But really he wants to do other stuff and not be tied down to the one character. Could it take a "actors ransom" as you say for him to come back, dunno but doesn't seem like it. But does the MCU really needed RDJ to return, nope don't think so. As there are many stories not involving Tony Stark that can be told in the MCU.

You’ve got 45 more movies queue up in just this post.

Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.

But lets say you're right and its 45 movies, and? You do realize that Feige is already laying out the next 10 years of the MCU. So yes there is plans to have Phases 7, 8 and 9 and more. They have so many stories from the Marvel Universe to tell they could literally spend the next 30+ years telling them and not even get through 25%.

So you’re taking the “over” and I’m taking the “under”

Yes long term I'm taking the over.

Good discussion either way

Yes it is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.

I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Here's where that domestic box office stands today, and compares with other Marvel films in the last year and the original Black Panther '18 plus Top Gun and Spiderman for '22 reference points.

Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.

It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...

Here, let me try... It seems that Top Gun wasn't really a movie that people wanted to see...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.


Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.


If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....

Well for at least Evan and Johansson that is already rumored to be the case for either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both.

However RDJ said recently that he doesn't believe there is anything more he can do with the character, so it would have to be a really compelling story and reason for Tony to return, ie he isn't coming back for just a paycheck. But really he wants to do other stuff and not be tied down to the one character. Could it take a "actors ransom" as you say for him to come back, dunno but doesn't seem like it. But does the MCU really needed RDJ to return, nope don't think so. As there are many stories not involving Tony Stark that can be told in the MCU.


Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.

But lets say you're right and its 45 movies, and? You do realize that Feige is already laying out the next 10 years of the MCU. So yes there is plans to have Phases 7, 8 and 9 and more. They have so many stories from the Marvel Universe to tell they could literally spend the next 30+ years telling them and not even get through 25%.


Yes long term I'm taking the over.


Yes it is.

As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.

Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.

And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must

The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.

So then they embolden more.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.

It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...

Here, let me try... It seems that Top Gun wasn't really a movie that people wanted to see...

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Except they people kept going to see top gun for 6 months.

They’re bored with Wakanda as if Rian Johnson crapped it onto the screen…
…”3 and out”

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