Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Prince-1]

I typically don’t see movies two times in the theater but I just saw it again with my son and man it was better the second time. Such an emotional movie with great action scenes. I would say it’s almost better than the first one but the two movies are completely different. This is definitely a movie more about Wakanda than it is about Black Panther.

 

[Jedijax719]

9:15 am tomorrow morning. My wife's first movie in theaters since Onward. Mine since NWH. My daughter has no interest. She's staying home alone.

Btw, this will probably not be on D+ until after MLK weekend unless it completely nosedives.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Conquers November Box Office Opening Record With $181M – Monday Update

Box Office: ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Opens to $180M

deadline.com

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

I mean, generally a sequel is expected to do less, no?

It seems on track to have a fantastic opening, especially in these post-covid lockdown times.

 

[Jedijax719]

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

That was a 4-day total. 3-day total was $202 million. A $175 m OW would be a 13.3% drop. It's a bigger drop than Age of Ultron but smaller drop than The Last Jedi.

BUT, with the 95% audience score and the probably A cinemascore, this could good holds for its first 3 weekends. It is conceivable that it drops less than 50% next weekend or at least less than 60%. (especially considering next weekend is the start of many people's holiday week). Then, we're probably looking at about a 22-25% drop in its third weekend (the average November MCU Thanksgiving weekend drop was 23%). Add to that the fact that Thanksgiving week is strong. Most movies earn between 75-80% of the weekend gross during the week.

Even with a $175 m OW, it could be between $450-$500 million domestic before Christmas holiday.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Either these people on Rotten Tomatoes are bots or they are real people review bombing. Who haven't even seen the movie yet.

Well, there's your conspiratorial tautology:

If the movie gets bad reviews, then the movie is bad.​

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If the movie gets good reviews, then that must be from bots, and so, the movie is bad.​

There is no proof you'll accept that a large number of people actually liked it. This isn't the first time you tried this fallacy.

As per the Terms of Service of this forum, posts should be constructive. You're breaking the ToS with this troll bait nonsense in which you laughably attempt to make your opinion sound like the prevailing opinion. It's just garbage posting.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes D+ is impacting theater turn out for Disney releases.

And they absolutely know this is happening.

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

You don't need to be a fly on the wall. Over and over the Bobs have said that streaming is the number one priority. And losses at the theaters (either from going direct to D+, or having a short window in the theaters) is an acceptable loss, since they are purposefully loss-leading their streamers.

Encanto even showed them the power of meme-ifying content precisely because it was quickly digitally accessible to so many subscribers all at once.

If Disney can make some money off of a movie before it winds up on D+, that's just gravy. Even if the movie didn't make a profit in the theaters, making something over nothing is an acceptable loss, because, in the end, once it passes onto streaming, it increased the value of D+/Hulu subscription.

The bragging points of theatrical big Box Office is replaced by bragging points of subs and 'minutes watched.'

And yes, big Box Office can give content some extra shine, so, it's not like they don't want that to happen, but, they're not crying over streamers cannibalizing theatrical releases (or linear programs, looking at you "Dancing with the Stars.")

 

[DKampy]

Either these people on Rotten Tomatoes are bots or they are real people review bombing. Who haven't even seen the movie yet.

Have you seen the movie yet or are you a bot

 

[DKampy]

This movie looks more like The Woman King 2, (which still has a 94% critic and 99% fan rating). Despite the fact that it too is a work of fiction.

Much like that movie this one will tank in it's 3rd week.

I saw the Woman King in theaters opening weekend to a pretty packed house….the theater must of been filled with bots the way people were cheering during certain scenes of the film

 

[MisterPenguin]

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[mf1972]

we watched it last night & enjoyed it. much more dramatic pace & less action than the first one. didn’t feel like a 2 hr 40 minute movie. i liked bassett’s performance. it won’t win her an oscar, but she was fierce in her role. best performance in the movie, imo. and winston duke is always good for a laugh. 1 thing i enjoyed the most was the silent tribute to boseman as the marvel logo rolled. very well done.

 

[Prince-1]

Have you seen the movie yet or are you a bot

More like a troll. Trollbot??

 

[Jedijax719]

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My integrated cerebral analysis system does not compute nor can identify such language sufficiently enough to translate.

However I can contribute this. BPWF has received an A on cinemascore.(and it is solidly fixed on 95% audience in RT so it JUST missed A+). Will see it for ourselves in exactly 1 hour.

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[MisterPenguin]

My integrated cerebral analysis system does not compute nor can identify such language sufficiently enough to translate.

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[MisterPenguin]

The bots and I got together to produce this chart...

BP2 pretty much has the same 'score' as Guardians2.

BP2 needs $750M at the Box Office to break even based on the industry rule of thumb.

 

[Ghost93]

Nice chart. It's hard being an Eternals fan. I genuinely think it's one of the MCU's better movies and love the tone/story/concepts/themes/atmosphere and most of the characters. But everyone hates it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Nice chart. It's hard being an Eternals fan. I genuinely think it's one of the MCU's better movies and love the tone/story/concepts/themes/atmosphere and most of the characters. But everyone hates it.

I really liked it, myself, too.

My only gripe is that they should have teamed up with the sentient Deviant as they were all in rebellion against the Celestial.

 

[Ghost93]

I really liked it, myself, too.

My only gripe is that they should have teamed up with the sentient Deviant as they were all in rebellion against the Celestial.

Yeah thematically, it would have made more sense for the Eternals to realize that they are pawns of the Celestial just like the Deviants. They could have formed a truce realizing they have more in common with each other than they realized.
I would have also liked Eternals to be about 30 minutes longer with more time spent in the ancient past establishing their relationships.
The biggest issue I have with the film is I feel like we knew many of the characters only in broad strokes and were told — not shown — how much they care for each other. I know there are a lot of deleted scenes but I imagine Marvel figured most audiences wouldn't want a 3-hour movie.

 

[networkpro]

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[networkpro]

Nice chart. It's hard being an Eternals fan. I genuinely think it's one of the MCU's better movies and love the tone/story/concepts/themes/atmosphere and most of the characters. But everyone hates it.

Let's just leave it at "It wasn't a film that most people enjoyed"