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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Either these people on Rotten Tomatoes are bots or they are real people review bombing. Who haven't even seen the movie yet.
And why would you say that?

The movie has already made almost $60 between domestic and overseas Wednesday/Thursday showings. So why is it hard to believe that the positive RT reviews are real people who genuinely liked the movie who tend to be the first to see MCU movies?

Also I find it funny that a majority of the positive reviews are from verified accounts, whereas a majority of the negative reviews I've found are from unverified accounts. You draw your own conclusions from that piece of information.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Since the Pandemic, I've only seen one movie in the theater: No Way Home. Wakanda Forever will be the second. Not sure about Avatar. Over 3 hours is long. TBH, the next movie will probably either be GOTG3 or Little Mermaid.

I used to take in a weekday matinee a couple times a month but haven’t watched a movie in the theater since 2019, as Prince said above the theater business is changing, every screen size increase and definition increase is another nail in the theater coffin.

My local theater had just replaced all their stadium seating with lazyboys in 2018 but I still prefer a 75” 4K screen with the ability to pause the movie for bathroom and snack breaks.

Avatar is tempting but at 3 hours I know I’ll never make it through the whole movie without a bathroom break and I hate missing 5 minutes in the middle of a movie.
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
I typically don’t see movies two times in the theater but I just saw it again with my son and man it was better the second time. Such an emotional movie with great action scenes. I would say it’s almost better than the first one but the two movies are completely different. This is definitely a movie more about Wakanda than it is about Black Panther.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

I mean, generally a sequel is expected to do less, no?

It seems on track to have a fantastic opening, especially in these post-covid lockdown times.
 

Jedijax719

Well-Known Member
Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.
That was a 4-day total. 3-day total was $202 million. A $175 m OW would be a 13.3% drop. It's a bigger drop than Age of Ultron but smaller drop than The Last Jedi.

BUT, with the 95% audience score and the probably A cinemascore, this could good holds for its first 3 weekends. It is conceivable that it drops less than 50% next weekend or at least less than 60%. (especially considering next weekend is the start of many people's holiday week). Then, we're probably looking at about a 22-25% drop in its third weekend (the average November MCU Thanksgiving weekend drop was 23%). Add to that the fact that Thanksgiving week is strong. Most movies earn between 75-80% of the weekend gross during the week.

Even with a $175 m OW, it could be between $450-$500 million domestic before Christmas holiday.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Either these people on Rotten Tomatoes are bots or they are real people review bombing. Who haven't even seen the movie yet.
Well, there's your conspiratorial tautology:

If the movie gets bad reviews, then the movie is bad.
If the movie gets good reviews, then that must be from bots, and so, the movie is bad.

There is no proof you'll accept that a large number of people actually liked it. This isn't the first time you tried this fallacy.

As per the Terms of Service of this forum, posts should be constructive. You're breaking the ToS with this troll bait nonsense in which you laughably attempt to make your opinion sound like the prevailing opinion. It's just garbage posting.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Yes D+ is impacting theater turn out for Disney releases.

And they absolutely know this is happening.

Down about 25% from the original movies $240 million opening weekend, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss the acceptable losses due to D+.

164 million subscribers at $10 a month adds up quick but so does losing a couple hundred million on every new movie release. Losing a billion a year in box office to help make $20 billion a year in D+ revenue is probably justified, just depends on the other D+ costs.

You don't need to be a fly on the wall. Over and over the Bobs have said that streaming is the number one priority. And losses at the theaters (either from going direct to D+, or having a short window in the theaters) is an acceptable loss, since they are purposefully loss-leading their streamers.

Encanto even showed them the power of meme-ifying content precisely because it was quickly digitally accessible to so many subscribers all at once.

If Disney can make some money off of a movie before it winds up on D+, that's just gravy. Even if the movie didn't make a profit in the theaters, making something over nothing is an acceptable loss, because, in the end, once it passes onto streaming, it increased the value of D+/Hulu subscription.

The bragging points of theatrical big Box Office is replaced by bragging points of subs and 'minutes watched.'

And yes, big Box Office can give content some extra shine, so, it's not like they don't want that to happen, but, they're not crying over streamers cannibalizing theatrical releases (or linear programs, looking at you "Dancing with the Stars.")
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
This movie looks more like The Woman King 2, (which still has a 94% critic and 99% fan rating). Despite the fact that it too is a work of fiction.

Much like that movie this one will tank in it's 3rd week.
I saw the Woman King in theaters opening weekend to a pretty packed house….the theater must of been filled with bots the way people were cheering during certain scenes of the film
 

mf1972

Well-Known Member
we watched it last night & enjoyed it. much more dramatic pace & less action than the first one. didn’t feel like a 2 hr 40 minute movie. i liked bassett’s performance. it won’t win her an oscar, but she was fierce in her role. best performance in the movie, imo. and winston duke is always good for a laugh. 1 thing i enjoyed the most was the silent tribute to boseman as the marvel logo rolled. very well done.
 

Jedijax719

Well-Known Member
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My integrated cerebral analysis system does not compute nor can identify such language sufficiently enough to translate.

However I can contribute this. BPWF has received an A on cinemascore.(and it is solidly fixed on 95% audience in RT so it JUST missed A+). Will see it for ourselves in exactly 1 hour.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
The bots and I got together to produce this chart...

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BP2 pretty much has the same 'score' as Guardians2.

BP2 needs $750M at the Box Office to break even based on the industry rule of thumb.
 
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