Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Jedijax719]

True, but I'm not sure that's as high as people want to think it is (but you are correct, worth being warry of). At any rate, I still trust that more than the critics for me.

Hopefully. And hopefully they fixed the issue with "verified audience" enough to limit review bombing.

 

[Prince-1]

There's a contingency out there of those ready to jump on this thing due to (a) not recasting T'Challa, (b) female driven, and/or (if they don't verify viewings) (c) general growing racism and anti-"wokeness".

And I am pretty sure some of those people post in this forum.

 

[Disney Analyst]

All I can say is I forgot to get tickets...

Looked yesterday at the VIP theatre near us for Tuesday, and could see most showings were sold out, but their were three times that had no seats sold yet.

I think I stumbled upon them adding 3 more showings for the day. So we got the first two seats for a 9:15 showing, which I can see today is now also filling up.

Adding show times is a good sign IMO.

 

[Jedijax719]

Down to 85% on rotten tomatoes. Maybe I am naive, but I never figured out why RT scores for big movies fall over the first few days from the initial scores.

Tracking suggests about $27 million in Thursday previews. No idea what is going on in other cities, but for Houston, tickets are not selling well at all for the rest of the weekend. Media sites are predicting $175-$200 million opening weekend (quite a range). Personally, based on anecdotal evidence, I'm leaning more toward $160-$170 million right now.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Review bombing goes both ways.

There are plenty of Critics and Fans that will give fake reviews to up the rating.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Down to 85% on rotten tomatoes. Maybe I am naive, but I never figured out why RT scores for big movies fall over the first few days from the initial scores.

Tracking suggests about $27 million in Thursday previews. No idea what is going on in other cities, but for Houston, tickets are not selling well at all for the rest of the weekend. Media sites are predicting $175-$200 million opening weekend (quite a range). Personally, based on anecdotal evidence, I'm leaning more toward $160-$170 million right now.

The Shills get first dibs on the movies.

They are so impressed with all the things in their goodie bags, that they feel obligated to be positive. Because if they're not someone else will take their spot and get the goodie bag. It is a competitive world where people must fight to be the biggest kissass critic.

 

[Jedijax719]

The Shills get first dips on the movies.

They are so impressed with all the things in their goodie bags, that they feel obligated to be positive. Because if they're not someone else will take their spot and get the goodie bag. It is a competitive world where people must fight to be the biggest kissass critic.

Or people who didn't get invited are bitter and review accordingly. Works both ways, bud.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Will ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Beat ‘Doctor Strange 2’ for Biggest Opening Weekend of the Year?

There’s no doubt that Marvel Studios’ “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” will prove to be a box office smash when it debuts in 4,300 North American theaters on Friday. But jus…

variety.com

 

[Jedijax719]

Box Office Pro says $192 m. I'd LOVE that! I don't think it will happen, but I would jump for joy!

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Or people who didn't get invited are bitter and review accordingly. Works both ways, bud.

When you consider that most of the shows and movies have been bad in Phase 4. But they've mostly gotten great ratings by the critics. I think it's more likely the shills are upping the ratings, rather than bringing them down.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think it's more likely the shills are upping the ratings,

Conspiracy time!

<takes a shot>

 

[Disney Irish]

When you consider that most of the shows and movies have been bad in Phase 4. But they've mostly gotten great ratings by the critics. I think it's more likely the shills are upping the ratings, rather than the bringing them down.

Any proof of this claim that its "shills" causing the ratings to be higher?
Also why is it that any positive review must be from a "shill"?

Just because you personally haven't enjoyed the content from Phase 4 doesn't mean that someone who does find Phase 4 content enjoyable must be a paid "shill".

 

[LSLS]

Any proof of this claim that its "shills" causing the ratings to be higher?
Also why is it that any positive review must be from a "shill"?

Just because you personally haven't enjoyed the content from Phase 4 doesn't mean that someone who does find Phase 4 content enjoyable must be a paid "shill".

It does go both ways though. I don't think it's fair to say that, but then say audience scores being low would be because of people bombing it. It's just like anything, there are people going in who will tell you it's the greatest movie in history, and others telling you this is the worst thing to ever hit the box office. Both have never seen the movie. I do think the metric Penguin uses is a better representative. I'd bet it does tend to side on the higher than reality side, but it's probably the most accurate single score we have. Personally, I'll look at it as a tool along with things like RT. If they more or less agree, we have an answer. Wildly different, we then have a debate as to which spot in the middle it would probably go.

 

[Disney Irish]

It does go both ways though. I don't think it's fair to say that, but then say audience scores being low would be because of people bombing it. It's just like anything, there are people going in who will tell you it's the greatest movie in history, and others telling you this is the worst thing to ever hit the box office. Both have never seen the movie. I do think the metric Penguin uses is a better representative. I'd bet it does tend to side on the higher than reality side, but it's probably the most accurate single score we have. Personally, I'll look at it as a tool along with things like RT. If they more or less agree, we have an answer. Wildly different, we then have a debate as to which spot in the middle it would probably go.

Except that review bombing is a proven thing, especially with the MCU. "Shills" artificially inflating positive review scores has not been proven, at all.

 

[Jedijax719]

Except that review bombing is a proven thing, especially with the MCU. "Shills" artificially inflating positive review scores has not been proven, at all.

But isn't review bombing reserved for audiences? If an actual critic review bombs anything, I'd think they'd lose their job immediately (if someone could prove it).

That said, I noticed some of the negative reviewers give rotten scores to pretty much everything that isn't an unknown indie film. And some have given rotten reviews to anything that got an overall positive score.Some just like the artsy stuff and stick up their noses to anything overly commercial. That will always be the case. That's their choice.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Any proof of this claim that its "shills" causing the ratings to be higher?
Also why is it that any positive review must be from a "shill"?

Just because you personally haven't enjoyed the content from Phase 4 doesn't mean that someone who does find Phase 4 content enjoyable must be a paid "shill".

The original Black Panther is at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. Enough said.

 

[Disney Irish]

The original Black Panther is at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. Enough said.

So your proof is a high RT score to a critical acclaimed and award winning movie that made over $1.3B Globally at the Box Office?

I think you might need to check your facts there buddy.

 

[Disney Irish]

But isn't review bombing reserved for audiences? If an actual critic review bombs anything, I'd think they'd lose their job immediately (if someone could prove it).

Yep that's the point. Review bombing is a well known proven thing that has happened with audience scores on sites like RT. The reverse though that never really been proven, ie the "shill" positive review. Its only exists in some conspiracy minds as a reason for a movie doing well that they didn't like.

 

[LSLS]

Except that review bombing is a proven thing, especially with the MCU. "Shills" artificially inflating positive review scores has not been proven, at all.

True, but I didn't say it didn't happen, I have a problem with saying if it does get bad reviews, that is why for a movie not released. Maybe worded wrong, I was more making a criticism of people already throwing that out as an excuse. Nobody has seen it outside of critics (who get next to no benefit of the doubt from me personally), so I think it's equally silly to say "If it does well, it's because of shills" and "if it does poorly, it's cause of bombing." There are plenty of movies critics loved that fans genuinely hated, and even more the other way. I also think using Penguin's metric definitely helps us understand a bit better if the bombing is a real thing, or just being used as an excuse. Same with repeat box office to an extent (though with the streaming now, I'm not sure how to use that as a judge).

 

[Disney Irish]

True, but I didn't say it didn't happen, I have a problem with saying if it does get bad reviews, that is why for a movie not released. Maybe worded wrong, I was more making a criticism of people already throwing that out as an excuse. Nobody has seen it outside of critics (who get next to no benefit of the doubt from me personally), so I think it's equally silly to say "If it does well, it's because of shills" and "if it does poorly, it's cause of bombing." There are plenty of movies critics loved that fans genuinely hated, and even more the other way. I also think using Penguin's metric definitely helps us understand a bit better if the bombing is a real thing, or just being used as an excuse. Same with repeat box office to an extent (though with the streaming now, I'm not sure how to use that as a judge).

I get what you're saying. However in this case its someone claiming that the MCU is getting positive reviews only because of paid "shills" or the even more fanciful claim of reverse review bombing, which we both know isn't true.