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EPCOT Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I was at WDW for nearly two weeks just a week ago.

The empty Communicore Hall didn't bother me at all.

Because I didn't go in.

Had no reason to. There was no attraction there.

I also didn't go up onto the empty American Adventure stage, nor into the Millennium building, nor into the WoL pavilion. Had no reason to.

If y'all want to argue that it should then have been closed. Fine. Let the complaints about how it is closed begin: "At least we could get some A/C and recharge our phones. They should've let us in!"

Perhaps we could go back to non-stop Festivals so that a Summer Festival or an early F&W Festival can be active in the Hall. Fine. Let the complaints about the non-stop Festivals resume. "There's always a money-grab Festival going on!!"

Would it be nice to have better appointments in the space? Yes. Is this a sign of failure-to-theme? No... it's empty space waiting for the next festival. Not incompetence.
 
Disgruntled Walt

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
Cmdr_Crimson said:
A) sat like this for SEVERAL YEARS
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Am I the only one who actually likes the way this looks? It's got a lot more character than the empty space that's there now!
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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𝕴𝖒𝖆𝖌𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖗97 said:
Am I the only one who actually likes the way this looks? It's got a lot more character than the empty space that's there now!
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No you are not...the original building was architecturally interesting. They covered up alot of what was originally designed...The buildings were redeemable...Look at how the other side turned out. Lots of glass, and while not exciting interior design, the spaces are light and cool and modern. Compare that to the "Flex Space Building"... Out of scale for the park and literally adds nothing. The half of the Communicore building that was not in the way of the splash pad could and should have been saved... The Hallway should have been properly designed with furnishings etc. An outdoor covered stage could have been added...then a roof deck on top of that new stage canopy for their special events... Ultimately it would have cost less and would have kept the symmetry of the original park...
 
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Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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MisterPenguin said:
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Why exempt the monorail? The local airport has a monorail. Ho hum.

And that glass pyramid can be found at a Paris museum and other places. Ho hum. Yawn.

And yes, Communicore Hall looks awful empty. Because it's empty. It's not an attraction apart from what it will host in the future. An empty stage looks awful until there's a show on it. An empty conference room looks bad while there's no convention taking place.

If ya don't like empty rooms or stages, don't go to them while they're empty.
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His takes are always a bit strange. Particularly when you consider when he talks about his own projects it's stuff like the Aladdin spinner at MK and WDSP and the Toy Story Lands in WDSP, HKDL, and SDL.

This picture was also a strange one as the focal point was the Imagination pavilion, which suggests he's not making the point that he thinks he's making.
 
GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
MisterPenguin said:
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Why exempt the monorail? The local airport has a monorail. Ho hum.

And that glass pyramid can be found at a Paris museum and other places. Ho hum. Yawn.

And yes, Communicore Hall looks awful empty. Because it's empty. It's not an attraction apart from what it will host in the future. An empty stage looks awful until there's a show on it. An empty conference room looks bad while there's no convention taking place.

If ya don't like empty rooms or stages, don't go to them while they're empty.
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It doesn't look bad because it's empty

it looks bad because it's a ridiculously scaled back design from what was originally planned and turned out having the architecture of a school cafeteria or local mall regardless of what decor they want to stick on the walls or hang on the ceilings during festival time. if they were going to do this, they could have just left innoventions and just remodel it a little. This took an insane amount of time and money....for this

this is what is wrong with Disney today - if only their imagineers would walk down the pathway a little further and learn about imagination (although they botched that last redesign too)
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Couldn't agree more. The buildings that were torn down actually had some architectural chops. John Hench had a great vision... the buildings were altered over the years and started to look bad... Cleaning Up Communicore East shows that the structures are beautiful and modern... The thing they built is garbage architecture with skin on it to ape the look of Spaceship Earth. It is a building without a clear mission...and looks like a ticket kiosk with a school cafeteria attached....neither inspirational or aspirational... Which is now basically the central core of the park...a bland corporate park with a flex space party rental hall and meet and greet... I blame those that approved and guided this design... aside from adding some shade, It is a failure on every level...Makes a fun imaginative theme park feel like a bland and boring corporate office park...How much simpler it would have been to restore Communicore West tear of the central court, add trees and floral display and a large central show fountain.... That was the EPCOT we needed....
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
MisterPenguin said:
I was at WDW for nearly two weeks just a week ago.

The empty Communicore Hall didn't bother me at all.

Because I didn't go in.

Had no reason to. There was no attraction there.

I also didn't go up onto the empty American Adventure stage, nor into the Millennium building, nor into the WoL pavilion. Had no reason to.

If y'all want to argue that it should then have been closed. Fine. Let the complaints about how it is closed begin: "At least we could get some A/C and recharge our phones. They should've let us in!"

Perhaps we could go back to non-stop Festivals so that a Summer Festival or an early F&W Festival can be active in the Hall. Fine. Let the complaints about the non-stop Festivals resume. "There's always a money-grab Festival going on!!"

Would it be nice to have better appointments in the space? Yes. Is this a sign of failure-to-theme? No... it's empty space waiting for the next festival. Not incompetence.
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Yes, if you just ignore things that aren’t very good then everything is great. This is right in the center of the park and being something people should ignore is incompetence.

GhostHost1000 said:
It doesn't look bad because it's empty

it looks bad because it's a ridiculously scaled back design from what was originally planned and turned out having the architecture of a school cafeteria or local mall regardless of what decor they want to stick on the walls or hang on the ceilings during festival time. if they were going to do this, they could have just left innoventions and just remodel it a little. This took an insane amount of time and money....for this

this is what is wrong with Disney today - if only their imagineers would walk down the pathway a little further and learn about imagination (although they botched that last redesign too)
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The Festival Center wasn’t going to be any better. It would have had the same issue and for most wouldn’t even have offered air conditioning.
 
Epcot82Guy

Epcot82Guy

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I remember seeing the rendering for the "original" idea where you had 4 buildings, each stripped out and "glassed in" similar to Connections and Creations. I really wish they would have gone with that. They could have easily pushed JoW back into World Nature a bit and arguably had windows overlooking that area from the NW building. It would have been a much better design, likely much cheaper and given us an entire extra building to use for something.

I know "would of/should of" isn't always helpful. But, it's really hard to not compare what we got vs. what we had vs. what was planned. This is very poor decision making and (likely) overinvolvement of executives.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Epcot82Guy said:
I remember seeing the rendering for the "original" idea where you had 4 buildings, each stripped out and "glassed in" similar to Connections and Creations. I really wish they would have gone with that. They could have easily pushed JoW back into World Nature a bit and arguably had windows overlooking that area from the NW building. It would have been a much better design, likely much cheaper and given us an entire extra building to use for something.

I know "would of/should of" isn't always helpful. But, it's really hard to not compare what we got vs. what we had vs. what was planned. This is very poor decision making and (likely) overinvolvement of executives.
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The funny thing is the buildings were already basically there and mostly glass that had been covered up...Yes it would have required some remodeling but would have been less expensive than the complete tear down and building the new bland, poorly scaled cafeteria and covered patio that they built.
 
DreamfinderGuy

DreamfinderGuy

Well-Known Member
Epcot82Guy said:
They could have easily pushed JoW back into World Nature a bit and arguably had windows overlooking that area from the NW building. It would have been a much better design, likely much cheaper and given us an entire extra building to use for something.
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This was the plan almost a full 30 years ago. Long term expansion plan listed the concept of a water play area being built behind the NW CommuniCore. The idea was dusted off and moved to the Fountain of Nations in 2015, then moved to just take up the entire NW CommuniCore plot to accommodate for the Festival Center that never happened.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Yet with all of these flubs and misses, somehow those in charge get big performance bonuses every year.... Who called for the big new Festival Building that started all this mess and approved the plan? Who then cancelled the plan after the demolition of Communicore West? Who misunderstood the budget before demolition started? Who approved releasing and hyping the new plans that were later cut? Seems like nobody knows what is going on there...like basic decisions... Don't promote a plan that is tenuous at best.... Bob's 2022 and 2023 bonuses could have probably built that festival center...
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Bocabear said:
Yet with all of these flubs and misses, somehow those in charge get big performance bonuses every year.... Who called for the big new Festival Building that started all this mess and approved the plan? Who then cancelled the plan after the demolition of Communicore West? Who misunderstood the budget before demolition started? Who approved releasing and hyping the new plans that were later cut? Seems like nobody knows what is going on there...like basic decisions... Don't promote a plan that is tenuous at best.... Bob's 2022 and 2023 bonuses could have probably built that festival center...
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