EPCOT Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[Virtual Toad]

I was merely speculating for what it's worth. Nor do I have any inside knowledge. However, I think it's reasonable to question why things go wrong and ponder how poor outcomes such as this one could have been prevented. If the lights were designed not to withstand a certain degree of pressure washing, but were designed to withstand a different degree of pressure washing, how would that be effectively communicated to the personnel doing the washing and, knowing the operational challenges involved in communicating that and ensuring that the washing would be performed consistently within those specialized standards, was the design they decided upon really the best choice available? Or is the failure due to something else entirely?

On a side note, you seem to really be irked every time someone speculates on these things. All I am doing is expressing my curiosity over how and why things are done. In my opinion, the choices made throughout this project leave much to be desired. But that's just an opinion, not some sort of expert analysis and I never claimed it to be. From where I'm standing, as an outside observer, the materials used in the in-ground LED installation do not seem to be up to the standard they should be for the environment in which they are installed. How quickly the installation failed and the ongoing poor condition of the install seem to make those questions valid. I apologize if simply asking those questions is offensive or too much of a bother.

 

[ChrisFL]

For sure.
The application of these lights had to be considered of course.
Or at least one would think.
A high traffic location in a hot and humid environment prone to frequent heavy rains.
A location that is going to receive its share of pressure washing - whether or not that was accidental.
If a lighting system was chosen that had specifics about not being power washed, that's a really boneheaded option to pick.
Just how careful and for how long was maintenance expected to remain that careful?
And these light lasted one night.
That kills me.
I don't think they're getting fixed.

It also sort of reminds me of when WDW first opened...things the Imagineers who lived in California didn't account for at first, like Florida weather...I'm reminded specifically of the outdoor queue for Haunted Mansion not being covered and possibly even the Teacups?

 

[V_L_Raptor]

Pressure washing aside, Florida is prone to exquisite volumes of rain during the summer months. To look at some of these cracked panels, pressure washing isn't necessary to flood the casing. Yes, someone really needed to think this through.

Whether it's from foot traffic, pressure washing, or outright (ridiculously premature) weathering, these devices are nowhere near up to the real conditions in which they were deployed. Disney failed here. Period.

 

[Streetway]

In my opinion: Epcot and every Disney world park should have a “poster tunnel” esque area at the entrances with attraction posters. Doesn’t have to be a tunnel, but an area guests walk by

 

[Bocabear]

In my opinion: Epcot and every Disney world park should have a “poster tunnel” esque area at the entrances with attraction posters. Doesn’t have to be a tunnel, but an area guests walk by

huh? Why do we need a poster tunnel? Will people not know what attractions to go on if there is not a poster reminding you? I don't understand.....

 

[Streetway]

huh? Why do we need a poster tunnel? Will people no know what attractions to go on if there is not a poster reminding you? I don't understand.....

I think the attraction posters are iconic, and I just thought having some area where they would be, tunnel or not, would be kidna fun as a smaller “signature” element of a park at wdw Yknow?

 

[Bocabear]

The original attraction [poster were very iconic....and much larger than the current ones at the MK tunnel. I wish they would bring back the larger silk-screened posters at the Magic Kingdom... don't see a real need for it to be at every park, or even how they would do that...

 

[nickys]

I think the attraction posters are iconic, and I just thought having some area where they would be, tunnel or not, would be kidna fun as a smaller “signature” element of a park at wdw Yknow?

Do you mean at every WDW park or every world-wide Disney park?

 

[Streetway]

Do you mean at every WDW park or every world-wide Disney park?

Maybe start at wdw, then spread over time if it flows well at wdw?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think the attraction posters are iconic, and I just thought having some area where they would be, tunnel or not, would be kidna fun as a smaller “signature” element of a park at wdw Yknow?

I have a clever idea on what to mount those posters. Here's a mock-up...

 

[nickys]

Maybe start at wdw, then spread over time if it flows well at wdw?

Really don’t understand why. I mean you’re actually arguing here for walls to be put up at every park entrance to stick posters on. People have generally had enough of walls being put up, I think they’d rather have open space.

It works at MK because you go through the tunnels to get in. It’s hard to see how it will work at the other parks.

 

[retr0gate]

Really don’t understand why. I mean you’re actually arguing here for walls to be put up at every park entrance to stick posters on. People have generally had enough of walls being put up, I think they’d rather have open space.

It works at MK because you go through the tunnels to get in. It’s hard to see how it will work at the other parks.

Could take the classic Disneyland approach

 

[Rich Brownn]

It also sort of reminds me of when WDW first opened...things the Imagineers who lived in California didn't account for at first, like Florida weather...I'm reminded specifically of the outdoor queue for Haunted Mansion not being covered and possibly even the Teacups?

They had to cover the teacups, cover the queues fro HM and HOP, and reroute the queue for CBJ through what had been stores (and are so again). Plus the drains often couldn't keep up and the area by the carousel frequents floods.

 

[gerarar]

My local mall looks nothing like this, but would like it to be!

 

[Bocabear]

preaching to the choir.....

 

[James Alucobond]

On the other hand, Shull seemed to think more highly of the original proposal for World Celebration based on his comments when he posted the old site plan. While it would indeed have been less architecturally generic, it would have represented an even greater waste of investment capital from the perspective of the average guest.

 

[MisterPenguin]

My local mall looks nothing like this, but would like it to be!

Why exempt the monorail? The local airport has a monorail. Ho hum.

And that glass pyramid can be found at a Paris museum and other places. Ho hum. Yawn.

And yes, Communicore Hall looks awful empty. Because it's empty. It's not an attraction apart from what it will host in the future. An empty stage looks awful until there's a show on it. An empty conference room looks bad while there's no convention taking place.

If ya don't like empty rooms or stages, don't go to them while they're empty.

 

[James Alucobond]

And yes, Communicore Hall looks awful empty. Because it's empty. It's not an attraction apart from what it will host in the future. An empty stage looks awful until there's a show on it. An empty conference room looks bad while there's no convention taking place.

If ya don't like empty rooms or stages, don't go to them while they're empty.

a) They shouldn't be empty.
b) If they are empty and/or completely lacking in any sort of set dressing even with the basics like furnishings, they're not show-ready and should be closed to the public.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

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Why exempt the monorail? The local airport has a monorail. Ho hum.

And that glass pyramid can be found at a Paris museum and other places. Ho hum. Yawn.

And yes, Communicore Hall looks awful empty. Because it's empty. It's not an attraction apart from what it will host in the future. An empty stage looks awful until there's a show on it. An empty conference room looks bad while there's no convention taking place.

If ya don't like empty rooms or stages, don't go to them while they're empty.

It's missing something that calmed everyone in this place.....This...


See what happens when they remove a good loop!

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

a) They shouldn't be empty.
b) If they are empty and/or completely lacking in any sort of set dressing even with the basics like furnishings, they're not show-ready and should be closed to the public.

A) sat like this for SEVERAL YEARS

B) Added seating at the last few legs of it's life span..

And C.....I friggin miss this place bad! My last trip in 2020 was the last time I sat in there for an hour or so to relax and people watch and see a character or two randomly walk by.

Maybe they should have added natural light to C-Hall which is why it looks so bland with the lighting..