News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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These threads have quickly gone off the rails…down the ramp…and OUT THE DOOR.

I get the exuberance. For 20 years Iger, Inc has deliberately slow rolled wdw, creating a capacity crunch and coincidentally offering upsells as a way around it.

But it was because of an old corporate raider causing a ruckus in 2023 and a streaming service that didn’t exist until 2019.

It makes total sense. He’s that kinda visionary. Like Sam Beckett.

But NOW…after evil Jay was defeated…he can be free to let “the imagineering flow through him” and build 4 lands, 12 attractions in Orlando that they never could have pulled off before.

Things definitely looking up.

Or maybe we will very soon put the rudder back to center?
 
TalkingHead

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James Alucobond said:
Why do Aladdin and Moana go in Adventureland in spite of having a lot of overlap with Fantasyland as fantasy royalty?
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I mean, talk about problematic. It’ll take the peanut gallery about five minutes to realize the Disney characters of color are being associated with Frontierland and Adventureland. Which makes Fantasyland a de facto white Eurocentric land. Modern Disney’s okay with that but not the connotations of “the frontier”?
 
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celluloid

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TalkingHead said:
I mean, talk about problematic. It’ll take the peanut gallery about five minutes to realize the Disney characters of color are being associated with Frontierland and Adventureland. Which makes Fantasyland a de facto white Eurocentric land. Modern Disney’s okay with that but not the connotations of “the frontier”?
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The problematic is a guise that please some and makes it easier to swallow.

Princesses make money, that is why more and more the lands have not subtle IP installed.

Tiana, Country Bears are the latest.

Indy and Encanto over in DAK.
 
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UNCgolf

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fgmnt said:
100% opinion by me here, but I think if you want to sell management on making a phase 2 actually get made in the north/west portion of park grounds, you need to design a second entrance to the park that gets built alongside phase 1 in the shadow of phase 2. A northern bus plaza that all hotels run a bus to at all hours of the day, train station, shops, and a hub that can send you off to the new additions with passageways into Fantasyland.
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I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think the biggest issue with a secondary entrance is getting people to use it. Most guests are going to want to enter through the train station for the Main Street/castle reveal. I speculated about running resort buses there instead of the main entrance, but I think too many guests would be upset about that.

I suppose they could build something along the lines of Main Street and the castle at the secondary entrance that fit whatever themed area it leads to, but I don't know if they'd want it to actually compete with the castle.
 
Villains0501

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The Leader of the Club said:
I don’t think they’d be opposing Mickey. I think they’d be opposing us.

I’m imagining a RoTR-esque story where we are trying to narrowly escape a group of baddies (Hades, Maleficent, Chernabog, etc.). Add an Ursula Spinner and a family coaster themed to Yzma or Oogie Boogie and you’ve got the makings of a great land.
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I think that’s what it will be exactly. The story will be a land where all the Villains have been banished (a la Descendants), and they’re trying to break out, and you (the rider) have to stop them to save the Magic Kingdom. E-ticket done.

This isn’t that hard, guys.
 
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fgmnt

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UNCgolf said:
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think the biggest issue with a secondary entrance is getting people to use it. Most guests are going to want to enter through the train station for the Main Street/castle reveal. I speculated about running resort buses there instead of the main entrance, but I think too many guests would be upset about that.

I suppose they could build something along the lines of Main Street and the castle at the secondary entrance that fit whatever themed area it leads to, but I don't know if they'd want it to actually compete with the castle.
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I think you will get a lot of buy in among guests who will want to be closer to the new major attractions at the start, that gets them to enter there. For the exit, would need to have a reason to be back there <2 hours before close.

But yes, you would have to go all in and make
an “alternate” Main Street that can consistently drive traffic to that end.
 
DC0703

DC0703

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UNCgolf said:
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think the biggest issue with a secondary entrance is getting people to use it. Most guests are going to want to enter through the train station for the Main Street/castle reveal. I speculated about running resort buses there instead of the main entrance, but I think too many guests would be upset about that.

I suppose they could build something along the lines of Main Street and the castle at the secondary entrance that fit whatever themed area it leads to, but I don't know if they'd want it to actually compete with the castle.
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I could see a second entrance being popular among Disney regulars and season pass holders, who might prefer the convenience of skipping the crowds. They could also re-locate the offsite resort busses and rideshare drop-offs there, since the drop off at the TTC is a pain.

That said, to put a second entrance in, they would need some way for people to access it, which means either needing extra parking lots back there or relocation of the resort busses. It's for this reason that I doubt they would do it.
 
Bill Cipher

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In the Parks
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Alright please forgive me, but the tin-foil hat is on.

In the recent video from WDI about the Tiana's Bayou Adventure animatronics, there are a number of b-roll shots throughout the video containing aspects from a variety of different projects. Most of these include projects we've already seen come to fruition like Journey of Water and Shanghai Pirates, but there was one incredibly specific clip that caught my eye. At the 7:25 mark of the video we see two imagineers, one of them wearing a virtual reality headset, reviewing some kind of test footage.



The shot only lasts for 26 frames but from what I can tell here, whatever they're testing seems entirely unfamiliar to me and appears to be a VR preliminary ride-through POV. The test footage has a silhouette of a ride vehicle in the bottom of the frame which stops in front of two pillars looking into a hallway with purple/dark blue walls. A light shines on a small figure in the center of view, who then promptly does a backflip as the light turns off and the ride vehicle pans away from the scene. In the room surrounding the imagineers, the walls are covered by large project boards covered in a wide variety of images. Most are too out of focus to discern, but on the right wall you can barely make out an image of Sorcerer Mickey, a silhouette of the Genie, and a character who resembles Ariel. Upon reviewing the footage, Sorcerer Mickey appears to be the backflipping character in the test footage.

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Sorcerer Mickey
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The Genie
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Ariel?
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Sorcerer Mickey in the test footage?
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Closer

With that said, the first thing that comes to my mind when discussing an attraction with Sorcerer Mickey is Villains Land and the fan concept of "Fantasmic but it's a ride." Do you think this could be a very early draft of the Villains E-ticket? Or is this some other project I can't recall/something else entirely? Would love if any insiders could chime in.
 
Bayou

Bayou

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fgmnt said:
100% opinion by me here, but I think if you want to sell management on making a phase 2 actually get made in the north/west portion of park grounds, you need to design a second entrance to the park that gets built alongside phase 1 in the shadow of phase 2. A northern bus plaza that all hotels run a bus to at all hours of the day, train station, shops, and a hub that can send you off to the new additions with passageways into Fantasyland.
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I believe that having multiple entrances will diminish the experience of the parks. Even Walt Disney himself declined to incorporate multiple entrances in Disneyland because he believed it would detract from the guests' experience.
 
Bayou

Bayou

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Bill Cipher said:
Alright please forgive me, but the tin-foil hat is on.

In the recent video from WDI about the Tiana's Bayou Adventure animatronics, there are a number of b-roll shots throughout the video containing aspects from a variety of different projects. Most of these include projects we've already seen come to fruition like Journey of Water and Shanghai Pirates, but there was one incredibly specific clip that caught my eye. At the 7:25 mark of the video we see two imagineers, one of them wearing a virtual reality headset, reviewing some kind of test footage.



The shot only lasts for 26 frames but from what I can tell here, whatever they're testing seems entirely unfamiliar to me and appears to be a VR preliminary ride-through POV. The test footage has a silhouette of a ride vehicle in the bottom of the frame which stops in front of two pillars looking into a hallway with purple/dark blue walls. A light shines on a small figure in the center of view, who then promptly does a backflip as the light turns off and the ride vehicle pans away from the scene. In the room surrounding the imagineers, the walls are covered by large project boards covered in a wide variety of images. Most are too out of focus to discern, but on the right wall you can barely make out an image of Sorcerer Mickey, a silhouette of the Genie, and a character who resembles Ariel. Upon reviewing the footage, Sorcerer Mickey appears to be the backflipping character in the test footage.

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View attachment 777636 Sorcerer Mickey
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View attachment 777639 Sorcerer Mickey in the test footage?
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With that said, the first thing that comes to my mind when discussing an attraction with Sorcerer Mickey is Villains Land and the fan concept of "Fantasmic but it's a ride." Do you think this could be a very early draft of the Villains E-ticket? Or is this some other project I can't recall/something else entirely? Would love if any insiders could chime in.
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That looks like the Zootopia ride
 
castlecake2.0

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Bayou said:
I believe that having multiple entrances will diminish the experience of the parks. Even Walt Disney himself declined to incorporate multiple entrances in Disneyland because he believed it would detract from the guests' experience.
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That’s what I’m thinking. I think it was also discussed that Epcot was considering getting a third entrance near Germany but it was determined that the labor costs long term wasn’t worth it. The new entrance would require security, turnstile greeters, guest relations, vacation planners etc. They’ve done a lot to fix the MK arrival area, the issue now is there’s less nighttime entertainment to spread out the mass exodus at night that slams the transportation systems. If they would go back to the night parade/fireworks/parade/projection show model it would almost certainly alleviate the transportation issue.
 
Horizonsfan

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Bayou said:
I believe that having multiple entrances will diminish the experience of the parks. Even Walt Disney himself declined to incorporate multiple entrances in Disneyland because he believed it would detract from the guests' experience.
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Walt gave Disneyland a second entrance, the monorail station at the DLH/ Downtown Disney.

Given where the park is going, they will at the very least need to work on turning the MS bypass into a permanent onstage area. Main Street as is, while iconic, is slammed.
 
bmr1591

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fgmnt said:
I think you will get a lot of buy in among guests who will want to be closer to the new major attractions at the start, that gets them to enter there. For the exit, would need to have a reason to be back there <2 hours before close.

But yes, you would have to go all in and make
an “alternate” Main Street that can consistently drive traffic to that end.
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If you're going to do a Villains Land, you can make the entrance lead onto a Villains Main Street with Maleficent's Castle at the end.
 

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