News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

WDW and DL have basically the same number of rides -- with most of them being the same exact ride (with minor changes), or, the same ride mechanic, but with a different theme. So, in that way, the comparison is apt.

However, WDW does have many more non-ride attractions and a more resort-like resort attached to it -- a world fair, a zoo, golf courses, spas, nightly fireworks, etc...

Let me rephrase and remove never.. my point was to me current Magic Kingdom doesn't have the splendor that a Disneyland park has. My opinion

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Again, I ask, where was this argument when Galaxy's Edge was announced and no one complained about the cloning of it?

Exactly , it was ignored because at the time everyone hyped it would be an iconic more classic Star Wars and with Avatar been a phenomenon all hype was it would be a win win!

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

It makes as much sense as Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland beyond Frontierland. If they added RSR it wouldn't be part of Frontierland. There would be a transition.

That said, I think this is not a great idea. The ride system is not ideal for outdoors in Florida. If it were indoors, it wouldn't matter where you put it. So they could just put it in DHS. But I still think they wouldn't use the same ride system as Test Track when they're going to relaunch Test Track in the near future already.

What I can't grab hold is everyone is all about it can't, it's the same ride system, but what about ROR, MRR, and Ratatouille! Plus several other same ride systems different themed IP or attraction story.

 

[eddie104]

Didn’t an insider confirm RSR wasn’t coming?

So we can leave that attraction in DCA where it belongs. I’m sure they want to focus on NEW IP’s that haven’t appeared in the parks yet.

 

[Delta-7]

What I can't grab hold is everyone is all about it can't, it's the same ride system, but what about ROR, MRR, and Ratatouille! Plus several other same ride systems different themed IP or attraction story.

It's more that people don't want another outdoor E-ticket ride that has to shut every time it rains (Test Track is the first example). And knowing FL's weather....

 

[TheRealSkull]

It's more that people don't want another outdoor E-ticket ride that has to shut every time it rains (Test Track is the first example). And knowing FL's weather....

Almost like Disney learned from their mistakes and built attractions today that can withstand Florida weather... what's to say a Florida RSR can't accommodate?

 

[Delta-7]

Almost like Disney learned from their mistakes and built attractions today that can withstand Florida weather... what's to say a Florida RSR can't accommodate?

So an all-indoor RSR….seriously?

 

[doctornick]

It's funny seeing for years people complaining about movie IP rides being put in the Studios making it a second Magic Kingdom while now we're getting complains about putting that same thing in Magic Kingdom.

To each their own, but I personally think the idea of "putting an IP in a park makes it another MK" is absolutely stupid. It's totally fine to put IPs in any park as long as it fits with the environment and themes that surround it. So, at least for me, I don't agree that IPs "should" be put into MK over other locations. Animal and conservation themed concepts in DAK? Great. IPs related to human culture or scientific exploration and achievement in Epcot? Fantastic. Immersion into "ride the movies" worlds in DHS? Absolutely.

Frontierland is about the American exploration of "unknown" and "untamed" (well, at least to Europeans) lands. Wild animals - even fictional talking ones - fit into that vibe. Modern day anthropomorphic Cars... don't. I actually think that a 1960's era Route 66 area/attraction could work in MK as the next but separate land after Frontierland (similar to how there is a progression around the RoA from Liberty Sq to Frontierland) but once you are adding the Cars IP and Radiator Springs, it is IMHO a step too far. Coco could work in an appropriate area - though I don't like it as its own land - but again really shouldn't be "part" of Frontierland.

And particularly sad to me is that Cars Land is pretty much exactly what DHS needs thanks to the bevy of (good) restaurants and smaller attractions. And as a single IP land, that is where it should go in WDW if anywhere. So, if they wanted to add it to WDW, that is IMHO where it should go.

 

[TheRealSkull]

To each their own, but I personally think the idea of "putting an IP in a park makes it another MK" is absolutely stupid. It's totally fine to put IPs in any park as long as it fits with the environment and themes that surround it. So, at least for me, I don't agree that IPs "should" be put into MK over other locations. Animal and conservation themed concepts in DAK? Great. IPs related to human culture or scientific exploration and achievement in Epcot? Fantastic. Immersion into "ride the movies" worlds in DHS? Absolutely.

Frontierland is about the American exploration of "unknown" and "untamed" (well, at least to Europeans) lands. Wild animals - even fictional talking ones - fit into that vibe. Modern day anthropomorphic Cars... don't. I actually think that a 1960's era Route 66 area/attraction could work in MK as the next but separate land after Frontierland (similar to how there is a progression around the RoA from Liberty Sq to Frontierland) but once you are adding the Cars IP and Radiator Springs, it is IMHO a step too far. Coco could work in an appropriate area - though I don't like it as its own land - but again really shouldn't be "part" of Frontierland.

And particularly sad to me is that Cars Land is pretty much exactly what DHS needs thanks to the bevy of (good) restaurants and smaller attractions. And as a single IP land, that is where it should go in WDW if anywhere. So, if they wanted to add it to WDW, that is IMHO where it should go.

I am with you in your argument in saying DHS needs Cars Land more than Magic Kingdom. DHS still isn't quite a full day park and could really benefit from one more immersive land, maybe two, replacing the Echo Lake and Animation Courtyard areas.

 

[Starship824]

I am with you in your argument in saying DHS needs Cars Land more than Magic Kingdom. DHS still isn't quite a full day park and could really benefit from one more immersive land, maybe two, replacing the Echo Lake and Animation Courtyard areas.

I wouldn't touch echo lake, but putting cars land in animation courtyard is a good idea.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Didn’t an insider confirm RSR wasn’t coming?

So we can leave that attraction in DCA where it belongs. I’m sure they want to focus on NEW IP’s that haven’t appeared in the parks yet.

Eh... we ain't got nothing else to talk about. It's at least two projects away.

Frontierland is about the American exploration of "unknown" and "untamed" (well, at least to Europeans) lands. Wild animals - even fictional talking ones - fit into that vibe. Modern day anthropomorphic Cars... don't. I actually think that a 1960's era Route 66 area/attraction could work in MK as the next but separate land after Frontierland (similar to how there is a progression around the RoA from Liberty Sq to Frontierland) but once you are adding the Cars IP and Radiator Springs, it is IMHO a step too far. Coco could work in an appropriate area - though I don't like it as its own land - but again really shouldn't be "part" of Frontierland.

Radiator Springs's location within the historical Frontier, and untamed wilderness certainly fits into the themes. I feel like the existing and past attractions have led to a conflagration of "frontier" with Cowboys and covered wagons rather than the place and themes, but, again, I would rather something else and the functionality in Florida is a major issue. But there is a part of me that worries what could come would be paltry in comparison to that epic range.

I am with you in your argument in saying DHS needs Cars Land more than Magic Kingdom. DHS still isn't quite a full day park and could really benefit from one more immersive land, maybe two, replacing the Echo Lake and Animation Courtyard areas.

I wouldn't touch echo lake, but putting cars land in animation courtyard is a good idea.

I agree with the Animation Courtyard location. My only concern would be cutting off any further expansion while that park needs more.

 

[TheRealSkull]

I agree with the Animation Courtyard location. My only concern would be cutting off any further expansion while that park needs more.

They have so much room to expand. Not worried about that one bit. Blessing of size people!

 

[Delta-7]

Eh... we ain't got nothing else to talk about. It's at least two projects away.

So RSR is coming (to MK)? Or at least a higher chance of it? I wasn’t really surprised that it could be a possibility because Radiator Springs —> desert stuff.

But talking modern cars to me isn’t the same thing as talking animals, monsters - even tiki statues, sentient objects from animated films, and the cab from Roger Rabbit. Those are either living beings or cartoonish things that don’t take realism seriously, and have some enchanting charm to them. Modern cars are machines. Even though the Cars world does have sentient vehicles, that’s pretty much all the magic it has. Everything else is realistic.

Though concerning the chance of this whole thing happening:

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There was at least consideration, though I don't think it was ever that serious. More of a visualization exercise, which - strictly in paint - did create a nice vista.

Edit: I do agree that Cars Land would be better off at DHS. Seems like modern car culture would fit better over there anyway.

 

[James Alucobond]

So RSR is coming (to MK)? Or at least a higher chance of it? I wasn’t really surprised that it could be a possibility because Radiator Springs —> desert stuff.

The desert talk was always nonsense from a single person who clearly doesn’t even understand what a desert is.

 

[TheRealSkull]

So RSR is coming (to MK)? Or at least a higher chance of it? I wasn’t really surprised that it could be a possibility because Radiator Springs —> desert stuff.

But talking modern cars to me isn’t the same thing as talking animals, monsters - even tiki statues, sentient objects from animated films, and the cab from Roger Rabbit. Those are either living beings or cartoonish things that don’t take realism seriously, and have some enchanting charm to them. Modern cars are machines. Even though the Cars world does have sentient vehicles, that’s pretty much all the magic it has. Everything else is realistic.

Though concerning the chance of this whole thing happening:

Edit: I do agree that Cars Land would be better off at DHS. Seems like modern car culture would fit better over there anyway.

To be fair, the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island and Big Thunder do represent realistic wildlife and nature quite well. Radiator Springs combines the best of fantasy and realism, just like the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island. So why not combine chocolate with peanut butter?

 

[DisDude33]

Then it’s not even frontierland anymore

I’m not sure it’s supposed to be Frontierland anymore. I think part of the point of BBT is to make a desert land for BTRR to fit into now that everything connected to it is going to be bayou themed. It’s also possible that Big Thunder could lose some of its frontier vibe after the big refurb.

 

[Delta-7]

To be fair, the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island and Big Thunder do represent realistic wildlife and nature quite well. Radiator Springs combines the best of fantasy and realism, just like the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island. So why not combine chocolate with peanut butter?

Because TSI, the river, and Big Thunder share that rustic 19th century vibe. The media from Cars is modern times. And assuming the idea that Frontierland up to TBA gets rethemed to fit with TBA and pushes Frontierland to Big Thunder and beyond…an RSR clone just isn’t gonna fit with that. Or even worse, Big Thunder gets a retheme as part of its rumored refurb to be set in the Cars world.

Edit: not even sure why this whole RSR idea is suddenly having a surge of confidence as of yesterday when the one source who said it was possible has a questionable track record.

 

[TheRealSkull]

Because TSI, the river, and Big Thunder share that rustic 19th century vibe. The media from Cars is modern times. And assuming the idea that Frontierland up to TBA gets rethemed to fit with TBA and pushes Frontierland to Big Thunder and beyond…an RSR clone just isn’t gonna fit with that. Or even worse, Big Thunder gets a retheme as part of its rumored refurb to be set in the Cars world.

Then you do what Disneyland did with Galaxy's Edge and make the land seperate from Frontierland, but create a cohesive and believable transition. Would not be hard to do at all, as long as RSR/Cars Land has no connection to Frontierland.

That would even make for a better transition than from the Tea Cups into Tomorrowland, and yet for some reason, no one seems to complain about that.

 

[Delta-7]

Then you do what Disneyland did with Galaxy's Edge and make the land seperate from Frontierland, but create a cohesive and believable transition. Would not be hard to do at all, as long as RSR/Cars Land has no connection to Frontierland.

That would even make for a better transition than from the Tea Cups into Tomorrowland, and yet for some reason, no one seems to complain about that.

The bottom line is, as many have said: RSR just doesn’t fit in Magic Kingdom. At least Coco does. The “fantasy” of Cars isn’t the same as everything else there. And as some have said, the credibility of this whole rumor isn’t that solid.

Even TRON fits the futuristic, science-fiction theme of Tomorrowland. Even with Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland, at least Star Wars does well with combining fantasy and sci-fi. If the overall opinion is those don’t fit, then those should be the only ones that don’t. No more. I myself don’t like the transition from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland, but most of that is fixable if they decide to do something with Speedway.

Furthermore, they never put Cars Land in Disneyland where GE is, and that was before the latter. Paris only has Cars stuff in Studios (later DAW). They could’ve put something Cars where Geyser Mountain would’ve been. But they didn’t. This “modern car culture” has more of a DHS vibe than MK.

People can keep defending this idea if they so please, but I know of a certain entertainment channel known for themed entertainment critiques who most likely won’t….

 

[TheRealSkull]

The bottom line is, as many have said: RSR just doesn’t fit in Magic Kingdom. At least Coco does. The “fantasy” of Cars isn’t the same as everything else there. And as some have said, the credibility of this whole rumor isn’t that solid.

Even TRON fits the futuristic, science-fiction theme of Tomorrowland. Even with Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland, at least Star Wars does well with combining fantasy and sci-fi. If the overall opinion is those don’t fit, then those should be the only ones that don’t. No more. I myself don’t like the transition from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland, but most of that is fixable if they decide to do something with Speedway.

Furthermore, they never put Cars Land in Disneyland where GE is, and that was before the latter. Paris only has Cars stuff in Studios (later DAW). They could’ve put something Cars where Geyser Mountain would’ve been. But they didn’t. This “modern car culture” has more of a DHS vibe than MK.

People can keep defending this idea if they so please, but I know of a certain entertainment channel known for themed entertainment critiques who most likely won’t….

Yes, I agree it fits better in DHS, considering it needs it more, but I personally wouldn't mind it in Magic Kingdom for the reasons I listed above. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, considering reaching a conclusion to this boils down to whether we feel if a certain IP fits a certain "vibe" of a theme park or not. That's why the reaction to this has been pretty split. All a matter of preference.