News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

Horizonsfan

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No major changes to what I've shared earlier, though things do appear to be morphing a bit as they come into focus.

I still expect Moana (AL) and Coco (BBTM) to be the first shovels moving at MK. Still not optimistic on a Phase II. Less convinced of major expansion at DHS.

After a few months feeling like Scrooge McDuck jumping into a vault of coins, reality appears to be setting in.

Skipping DHS expansion seems like the worst decision they could make. That park desperately needs 2-3 more people-eating all-age-friendly rides.

I was in the park last week & it was pretty unpleasant wait-time-wise, especially when something went down. Millenium Falcon was over 110 minutes at one point. That's absurd for early May.

Tangentially, FWIW this is roughly 14 acres. This would track with repositioning the support facilities, count Moana and "BBTM" toward new guest space, and eliminate the need to spend money on RoA or RR. Though I'm not sure how the heck they'd handle parade routing vs guest flow at the current parade step off point :
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eddie104

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Skipping DHS expansion seems like the worst decision they could make. That park desperately needs 2-3 more people-eating all-age-friendly rides.

I was in the park last week & it was pretty unpleasant wait-time-wise, especially when something went down. Millenium Falcon was over 110 minutes at one point. That's absurd for early May.

Tangentially, FWIW this is roughly 14 acres. This would track with repositioning the support facilities, count Moana and "BBTM" toward new guest space, and eliminate the need to spend money on RoA or RR. Though I'm not sure how the heck they'd handle parade routing vs guest flow at the current parade step off point :
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To be fair people were speculating that AK would be the first to get new investment.

MK and HS getting something was a plus to the whole scheme of “turbocharging” growth at the parks.

Also even though that particular poster said they weren’t feeling confident doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen.

Disney changes plans all the time and might be prioritizing certain projects over others.
 

Horizonsfan

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To be fair people were speculating that AK would be the first to get new investment.

MK and HS getting something was a plus to the whole scheme of “turbocharging” growth at the parks.
Huh? I don't see how what I wrote is countered by any of this.

Also even though that particular poster said they weren’t feeling confident doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen.

Disney changes plans all the time and might be prioritizing certain projects over others.
I'm an architect, I'm painfully aware plans change all the time. Just reacting to an insider's post on slow Monday night. :)
 
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Purduevian

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Skipping DHS expansion seems like the worst decision they could make. That park desperately needs 2-3 more people-eating all-age-friendly rides.

I was in the park last week & it was pretty unpleasant wait-time-wise, especially when something went down. Millenium Falcon was over 110 minutes at one point. That's absurd for early May.

Tangentially, FWIW this is roughly 14 acres. This would track with repositioning the support facilities, count Moana and "BBTM" toward new guest space, and eliminate the need to spend money on RoA or RR. Though I'm not sure how the heck they'd handle parade routing vs guest flow at the current parade step off point :
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Just trying to fit some things into that plot (assuming they did move all the BOH stuff: I put the Shanghai Pirates in Adventureland (Moana boat ride) and FOP/Navi in (Coco simulator). As always scales are not perfect as google maps doesn't actually let you pick how you scale things. They don't quite fit, but a little re-arrangement could happen to squeeze them in.

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BrianLo

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I think simulator was mentioned as a possibility before, but it's still very disappointing.

It's a little strange that Universal has moved away from them and now Disney seems to be building more.

I wouldn’t actually say that. From a menu planning perspective, MK could actually use a simulator. Especially since it sounds currently paired with a hybrid flume, animatronic+screen dark ride (Moana) and is also coming off Tiana and Tron.

MK is actually the only Disney park without a simulator!? Other than technically Disney Adventure World, though I know some people would count Ratatouille.


I actually think Coco would lend itself well to a flying simulator. I’m not sure why everyone thinks it wouldn’t.
 

BrianLo

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Talk of a Phase II, Moana in MK, and Lion King in AK are all unannounced. If it weren't for these "leaks," we would never learn about any sort of cutbacks for one plan because another plan had cost overruns.

I don’t even think it’s fair to qualify these things as ‘cutbacks’. More like a series of projects Imagineering are in a mad push to get them into the D23 keynote to keep their pet project alive longer.

We always hear of ‘too many ideas’ before D23 and then reality hits. For us and the imagineers hawking.

On the AK front I’m sure there’s a Pandora 3rd ride project and a Lion King Project and something else we haven’t even heard of project. The odds of them all happening were always zero. The odds of even one of them happening weren’t great. None of these things have likely been budgeted or approved (other than what we do know about officially).
 

lazyboy97o

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I don’t even think it’s fair to qualify these things as ‘cutbacks’. More like a series of projects Imagineering are in a mad push to get them into the D23 keynote to keep their pet project alive longer.

We always hear of ‘too many ideas’ before D23 and then reality hits. For us and the imagineers hawking.

On the AK front I’m sure there’s a Pandora 3rd ride project and a Lion King Project and something else we haven’t even heard of project. The odds of them all happening were always zero. The odds of even one of them happening weren’t great. None of these things have likely been budgeted or approved (other than what we do know about officially).
I really don’t think people appreciate how much work actually goes into a concept package that can be properly studied for feasibility and just how little information that also actually represents. And while I’m sure the bad faith brigade will talk about the waste of money on projects that won’t be further developed but anybody with a lick of sense would realize that it doesn’t make sense to commit millions of dollars to an elevator pitch.
 

Chef idea Mickey`=

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Fondue in a cup!
Colombian poser, they call it chocolate! But with a very Spanish pronunciation sho - co - LAH - te.

And they add cheese.

Yes. I said "cheese."


In Disney terms, it'd be 'Lotta Coco Chocolate con Queso.


 

Mike S

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I really don’t think people appreciate how much work actually goes into a concept package that can be properly studied for feasibility and just how little information that also actually represents. And while I’m sure the bad faith brigade will talk about the waste of money on projects that won’t be further developed but anybody with a lick of sense would realize that it doesn’t make sense to commit millions of dollars to an elevator pitch.
Tower of Terror was an elevator pitch and that turned out ok ;)
 

UNCgolf

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I wouldn’t actually say that. From a menu planning perspective, MK could actually use a simulator. Especially since it sounds currently paired with a hybrid flume, animatronic+screen dark ride (Moana) and is also coming off Tiana and Tron.

MK is actually the only Disney park without a simulator!? Other than technically Disney Adventure World, though I know some people would count Ratatouille.


I actually think Coco would lend itself well to a flying simulator. I’m not sure why everyone thinks it wouldn’t.

I don't think any theme park needs a simulator; they're generally weaker attractions.

Flight of Passage is easily the best simulator ever built and it's still not one of the very best rides just at WDW.

As for Coco -- I think it lends itself to a flying simulator better than many other IPs, but definitely not as well as Avatar. More importantly, Coco also fits other attraction types. A Coco flying sim could be solid, but they could definitely build something better.
 
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ToTBellHop

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This is probably an unpopular opinion, but if Disney isn't going all in for BBTM, then I rather them just do Moana for MK, and spend the money either on another big investment in DHS or give Epcot the money to upgrade/redo Imagination and SSE.
I kind of agree. MK is fine…but, at the end of the day, a WDW vacation is a behemoth and it doesn’t really matter where rides go. We come for the whole package.
 

J4546

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i feel like mk is not fine haha, but I live in CA so we got the much bigger and better version of a castle park imo. BBTM needs to happen and there needs to be 5+ new attractions built in this expansion. 2 major and 3 less than major at the very least with multiple stores/shops/food options and character meetngreets. MK is the most visited theme park in the world and def needs a major capacity boost...imo
 

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