News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

doctornick

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They're in a tough spot, actually, because it will be very costly to shorten the river and connect around the other side, but if Coco is the ONLY thing that actually happens, I don't know how you justify such a huge expense for the addition of one attraction.

There is zero need to actually shorten the river if it is too expensive. They can make guest areas mostly outside the RR berm if they wanted to to create space north of the RoA
 

Disgruntled Walt

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No
There is zero need to actually shorten the river if it is too expensive. They can make guest areas mostly outside the RR berm if they wanted to to create space north of the RoA
Sure, but that would seem to indicate to me that they would not connect around the other side and it would be a dead end, no?
 

ednamodedarling

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Rivers of America is big... but not as big as previously thought requiring any shortening to reduce walking space.

A potential walkway route from the HM entrance to the RR/Indiana Village is the same walking distance as HM to Big Thunder.
If villains does move forward ... I feel a resurrection of the Main Street Theatre with a campy villains show would be spectacular back in this area behind HM. It would also give something for the littles to do if they find themselves to scared to do the attractions.
 
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UNCgolf

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I personally have yet to see any reason to believe Radiator Spring Racers is a serious consideration for MK. The Mexico Pavilion seems to be off the table for a number of reasons - Coco at MK seems the most likely based on what I'm hearing, some sort of simulator.

I think simulator was mentioned as a possibility before, but it's still very disappointing.

It's a little strange that Universal has moved away from them and now Disney seems to be building more.
 

Andrew25

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It wouldn't be that tough to add a path around the HM. Reconfiguring the queue a bit. It's certainly easier than wholesale changes to the RoA (or Fort Langhorn, the Railroad path, etc)
They will probably have to redo the entirety of the HM queue as they currently have to utilize the entire waterfront (and sometimes the dock close to Liberty Belle).

Will be fascinating to see what happens as I can easily see them cheap out and just make the Liberty Belle stationary while installing a bridge to connect to Big Thunder area.
 

MisterPenguin

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I think simulator was mentioned as a possibility before, but it's still very disappointing.

It's a little strange that Universal has moved away from them and now Disney seems to be building more.
Besides flight of Passage and falcon, what simulators has Disney done recently? And if those are the kind of simulators that Disney makes, I'll take some more, please!
 

doctornick

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They will probably have to redo the entirety of the HM queue as they currently have to utilize the entire waterfront (and sometimes the dock close to Liberty Belle).
I mean, it certainly wouldn't be "easy" to create a path around HM, but it is surely more simple than large changes to the RoA.

That doesn't mean that the RoA or TSI will be untouched - there's already rumors abut the fort going away and who knows if they will build bridges over the RoA and get rid of the water traffic - but it certainly doesn't have to happen to properly utilize the northern area above RoA. I mean, DL already did it an d kept the RoA intact and they have a heck of a lot less space to work with.
 

Haymarket2008

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I think simulator was mentioned as a possibility before, but it's still very disappointing.

It's a little strange that Universal has moved away from them and now Disney seems to be building more.

Especially seeing the new Frozen ride in Tokyo...

Magic Kingdom (and Coco, for that matter) deserves a deluxe experience far from the influence and over reliance of screens.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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They will probably have to redo the entirety of the HM queue as they currently have to utilize the entire waterfront (and sometimes the dock close to Liberty Belle).

Will be fascinating to see what happens as I can easily see them cheap out and just make the Liberty Belle stationary while installing a bridge to connect to Big Thunder area.
Does Liberty Bell get all that much use/traffic?

In the last 8 times we have been there, no one in our party of 10 has ever gone on LB or even been curious/interested enough to talk about it.

Assuming you are talking about installing a bridge to connect TSI to the Big Thunder area, while as a fan of TSI I personally like the "authenticity" of taking the barges over, I do wonder if you had a static connection like a bridge would you get more foot traffic over and people enjoying the island. With short attention spans today we have once or twice on a hot day talked about going over to the island, and then when there was no barge available, after waiting for a few minutes, decided to walk over to get a frozen lemonade or do something else. If you could just walk over at any time, I think you would get more spur of the moment people just walking over and finding a nice hidden gem, as opposed having to wait for the barge to go over.
 

James Alucobond

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Especially seeing the new Frozen ride in Tokyo...

Magic Kingdom (and Coco, for that matter) deserves a deluxe experience far from the influence and over reliance of screens.
I actually think Tokyo Frozen feels overlong. It’s almost literally the entire movie and then some. I wouldn’t mind many of the scenic and animatronic improvements making their way to Frozen Ever After, but I actually prefer the format and length of WDW’s version, oddities of reusing the Maelstrom track notwithstanding.

That said, wasteful unpopular opinion time, but I would kill to replace Small World with Lantern Festival and then move Small World onto the Speedway plot as a Fantasyland/Tomorrowland transitional attraction, perhaps with an accompanying revival of some Mary Blair-styled mosaics throughout the latter. Again, I know it would be completely unhelpful operationally, but I’d love it organizationally.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
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Besides flight of Passage and falcon, what simulators has Disney done recently? And if those are the kind of simulators that Disney makes, I'll take some more, please!
Then they should put them in space-limited plots like Stitch's Great Abandoned Building. A simulator attraction makes sense in there because there's very little room. But with BBT, they should be building something grander than a simulator.
 

James Alucobond

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Then they should put them in space-limited plots like Stitch's Great Abandoned Building. A simulator attraction makes sense in there because there's very little room. But with BBT, they should be building something grander than a simulator.
I’m pretty sure the space they’re considering for Coco is not that large, particularly if they want to wedge in a restaurant. Of course, I could be wrong about where it’s going, but yeah.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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I’m pretty sure the space they’re considering for Coco is not that large, particularly if they want to wedge in a restaurant. Of course, I could be wrong about where it’s going, but yeah.
Why isn't it large? Isn't it all a new build on open land north of Big Thunder? There's got to be space there for something substantial! If RSR was a rumor, there is definitely room.
 

James Alucobond

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Why isn't it large? Isn't it all a new build on open land north of Big Thunder? There's got to be space there for something substantial! If RSR was a rumor, there is definitely room.
I am pretty sure this specific attraction would use the space west of Thunder Mountain that currently abuts the Liberty Belle’s service dock. I don’t think you’ll see them actually crossing the water until a potential phase 2. But true insiders can correct me if I’m mistaken.
 

Andrew25

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I am pretty sure this specific attraction would use the space west of Thunder Mountain that currently abuts the Liberty Belle’s service dock. I don’t think you’ll see them actually crossing the water until a potential phase 2. But true insiders can correct me if I’m mistaken.
Not sure about this rumor... that's an incredible tight space with Big Thunder's maintenance bay there.
 

James Alucobond

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Not sure about this rumor... that's an incredible tight space with Big Thunder's maintenance bay there.
Which is why I think you’re looking at a reconfiguring of the maintenance bay and perhaps a relocation of the Liberty Belle’s port to the opposite shore during BTM’s upcoming downtime. Again, I could be wrong, but I think the reason this is part of phase 1 is because it doesn’t require the extreme reshaping of RoA that phase 2 would.
 

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