News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[UNCgolf]

Besides flight of Passage and falcon, what simulators has Disney done recently? And if those are the kind of simulators that Disney makes, I'll take some more, please!

The Peter Pan ride in Tokyo isn't technically a simulator, but it's close enough to being one IMO since it's almost entirely screens.

I also think the Falcon ride is terrible, although they could have probably built a version of it that's pretty good with some different choices (although I think it would always feel like a relatively mediocre video game propped up by the fact you're sitting in the Falcon's cockpit). I waited about 50 minutes to ride it and I'm not sure I'd do it again even as a walk-on; I certainly wouldn't wait in that line again.

Flight of Passage is very good, but I don't think Coco (even the Land of the Dead) lends itself to creating something as good as FoP in simulator form. There aren't many IPs that do.

 

[UNCgolf]

I actually think Tokyo Frozen feels overlong. It’s almost literally the entire movie and then some. I wouldn’t mind many of the scenic and animatronic improvements making their way to Frozen Ever After, but I actually prefer the format and length of WDW’s version, oddities of reusing the Maelstrom track notwithstanding.

That said, wasteful unpopular opinion time, but I would kill to replace Small World with Lantern Festival and then move Small World onto the Speedway plot as a Fantasyland/Tomorrowland transitional attraction, perhaps with an accompanying revival of some Mary Blair-styled mosaics throughout the latter. Again, I know it would be completely unhelpful operationally, but I’d love it organizationally.

I'm not sure it's too long -- I just think it was a really bad idea to try to retell the movie from start to finish. I don't think it's a movie that lends itself well to an attraction in general, and certainly not when attempting to include the entire plot.

I also love the Lantern Festival/moving Small World to the Speedway plot idea, although that will never, ever happen.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

I am pretty sure this specific attraction would use the space west of Thunder Mountain that currently abuts the Liberty Belle’s service dock. I don’t think you’ll see them actually crossing the water until a potential phase 2. But true insiders can correct me if I’m mistaken.

Disney is presently going to apply for permits to work on the land west of the canal. While some of this will be to handle runoff, this means they will be building something over there.

I think our insiders are confusing two different projects, maybe three.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Disney is presently going to apply for permits to work on the land west of the canal. While some of this will be to handle runoff, this means they will be building something over there.

I think our insiders are confusing two different projects, maybe three.

Initial permits are mainly for BOH relocations and infrastructure, AFAIK.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

What would they be moving beside maybe the facilities for Big Thunder Mountain?

Initial permits are mainly for BOH relocations and infrastructure, AFAIK.

 

[DisDude33]

Initial permits are mainly for BOH relocations and infrastructure, AFAIK.

I would imagine that they know people look over every permit they file so they aren’t going to do any permits that would give away the scale (or lack there of) of the project until after an official announcement has been made.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

What would they be moving beside maybe the facilities for Big Thunder Mountain?

Again, from how it sounds to me, I believe this deals with BOH movement to support BBTM and Moana. Unless things have recently been downscaled further, there was to be a good bit of movement here.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

I would imagine that they know people look over every permit they file so they aren’t going to do any permits that would give away the scale (or lack there of) of the project until after an official announcement has been made.

We learned about the permits from an event for the press, in which it was described as comparable to Galaxy's Edge:

"A graphic shown by Iger showed a work area that spans both the waterway connecting the Rivers of America with the Seven Seas Lagoon as well as Floridian Place, north of Maple Road."
In https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202404/10139/

Again, from how it sounds to me, I believe this deals with BOH movement to support BBTM and Moana. Unless things have recently been downscaled further, there was to be a good bit of movement here.

Moana would be too far south?

All of this work just to add Soarin' 2.0 and a flume? Wouldn't it be easier just to build the attractions in the work area?

 

[eddie104]

I’m in the camp of I don’t really care what ride systems just start building already.

My biggest thing is they actually ADD attractions to the MK.

I understand the initial concept art may have been a little unrealistic however they need to deliver a project on a grand scale.

$17 billion dollars and you can’t come with a concrete plan that adds at a minimum four new attractions?

Fantasy Springs should be the template to look at with the way they optimized their space.
Tokyo doesn’t have the blessing of size that we have so they had no choice.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I would imagine that they know people look over every permit they file so they aren’t going to do any permits that would give away the scale (or lack there of) of the project until after an official announcement has been made.

Water management permits don’t have to show that much detail. They can use overall gross areas to determine what is needed. They’re also not like building permits in that they’re not tied to a specific project. You can get approval for a certain amount of area and then build it over time or not all.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

I’m in the camp of I don’t really care what ride systems just start building already.

My biggest thing is they actually ADD attractions to the MK.

I understand the initial concept art may have been a little unrealistic however they need to deliver a project on a grand scale.

$17 billion dollars and you can’t come with a concrete plan that adds at a minimum four new attractions?

Fantasy Springs should be the template to look at with the way they optimized their space.
Tokyo doesn’t have the blessing of space we have so they had no choice.

I actually think it will be somewhat grand, because Disney realizes they need more supply for expected demand.

Our insiders are trying to "protect [their] heart(s)," as one put it, having the unfortunate side effect of upsetting others.

 

[Andrew25]

We should expect the Floridian Way project to finish construction sometime late this year in conjunction with the DVC Poly right?

Would Imagine that work will be needed to be completed to accommodate all the heavy equipment/traffic that will be needed for such a massive undertaking.

 

[DisDude33]

Water management permits don’t have to show that much detail. They can use overall gross areas to determine what is needed. They’re also not like building permits in that they’re not tied to a specific project. You can get approval for a certain amount of area and then build it over time or not all.

I’m sorry, I wasn’t very clear with what I was saying. Someone had said something about what they think is happening based on the water works permit and I was just saying that we won’t get any juicy information from permits until after Disney actually says what they are doing and then they’ll file building permits and other things that have more specific information.

 

[DisDude33]

We learned about the permits from an event for the press, in which it was described as comparable to Galaxy's Edge:

"A graphic shown by Iger showed a work area that spans both the waterway connecting the Rivers of America with the Seven Seas Lagoon as well as Floridian Place, north of Maple Road."
In https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202404/10139/

Moana would be too far south?

All of this work just to add Soarin' 2.0 and a flume? Wouldn't it be easier just to build the attractions in the work area?

Does anyone have an image of the graphic the Iger showed? It would be interesting to see exactly where they are working.

 

[eddie104]

I actually think it will be somewhat grand, because Disney realizes they need more supply for expected demand.

Our insiders are trying to "protect [their] heart(s)," as one put it, having the unfortunate side effect of upsetting others.

I hope so.

If this project is suppose to be “the biggest expansion in MK history” then it should feel like it.

I’m just a little anxious waiting for more details to be announced about this project.

I understand insiders don’t want to reveal too much info for the sake of protecting their sources.

I won’t be satisfied until the permit is filed to start infrastructure work.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

No major changes to what I've shared earlier, though things do appear to be morphing a bit as they come into focus.

I still expect Moana (AL) and Coco (BBTM) to be the first shovels moving at MK. Still not optimistic on a Phase II. Less convinced of major expansion at DHS.

After a few months feeling like Scrooge McDuck jumping into a vault of coins, reality appears to be setting in.

Three years from now when they finally start to build something after the plans have changed several more times-

 

[ToTBellHop]

Three years from now when they finally start to build something after the plans have changed several more times-

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Don’t be ridiculous. There will also be a new Joffrey’s location serving Consider the Coconut Lattes (hot or iced!) and Miguel’s Un Poco Loco Cocoas (hot or frozen blended!).

 

[MisterPenguin]

Don’t be ridiculous. There will also be a new Joffrey’s location serving Consider the Coconut Lattes (hot or iced!) and Miguel’s Un Poco Loco Cocoas (hot or frozen blended!).

Colombian poser, they call it chocolate! But with a very Spanish pronunciation sho - co - LAH - te.

And they add cheese.

Yes. I said "cheese."


In Disney terms, it'd be 'Lotta Coco Chocolate con Queso.

Colombian Hot Chocolate with Cheese - Fat Girl Hedonist

I never realized until I was an adult that drinking Colombian hot chocolate with cheese wasn't normal. Think hot chocolate in a mug and pieces of soft white cheese melting inside the mug. You scoop the melty cheese out of the cup with a spoon and sip on your hot chocolate. It's sweet and salty....

fatgirlhedonist.com

 

[TTA94]

No major changes to what I've shared earlier, though things do appear to be morphing a bit as they come into focus.

After a few months feeling like Scrooge McDuck jumping into a vault of coins, reality appears to be setting in.

Not good cuts are already happening and we are still a little over two months from D23. Bye bye nighttime parade plans to? Lol

 

[networkpro]

Colombian poser, they call it chocolate! But with a very Spanish pronunciation sho - co - LAH - te.

And they add cheese.

Yes. I said "cheese."


In Disney terms, it'd be 'Lotta Coco Chocolate con Queso.

Colombian Hot Chocolate with Cheese - Fat Girl Hedonist

I never realized until I was an adult that drinking Colombian hot chocolate with cheese wasn't normal. Think hot chocolate in a mug and pieces of soft white cheese melting inside the mug. You scoop the melty cheese out of the cup with a spoon and sip on your hot chocolate. It's sweet and salty....

fatgirlhedonist.com

Yuck, not my for my palet, mine is much more suited for the traditional Xocolatl. Less sugar, more bite.