News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[999th Happy Haunt]

Villains land could very well have the entire resort’s thesis attraction with Disney heroes battling the villains to save the Magic Kingdom, think SotMK or Fantasmic the ride. One of the things I really like about the Monsters land coming to EU is the main attraction supposedly being a crossover epic with all of the monsters. No doubt Disney would be interested in that concept for their own characters.

Copying? Maybe. Potential? Huge.

 

[J4546]

Maybe the villains land expansion will include a new onsite hotel?

 

[Bocabear]

If Only.... The Mel Brooks Haunted Hotel slated for DHS never it sadly.... Though that was just a predecessor idea to Hollywood Tower Of Terror....

 

[adam.adbe]

Oh...by the way. Universal is about to get a 10-15 BILLION dollar check from Disney in the next 4 months for their portion of HULU. What do you think that Universal will be able to do with Disney's 10-15 BILLION dollars?

Give the money back to the shareholders - they've been pretty clear about that.

 

[cheezbat]

All I will say is it's ABOUT TIME Walt Disney World has a most impressive new Land of it's kind 1st!

Whether it's the Moana ride, Encanto Land, or Coco, etc

Walt Disney World desperately needs something a gold chain that shows out to the other parks outside Florida. What they've done to Epcot is new but they didn't focus to make Epcot the best park in all Disney World with the redo! All it took for Magic Kingdom to stand out would it claimed the first World of Arendelle which didn't happen!

I find it really sad that the most popular theme park in the world doesn’t have that one unique stand out attraction.

Disneyland has Matterhorn
California Adventure has Guardians, Cars, Incredicoaster, and Grizzly
Epcot has Spaceship Earth, Test Track, and Guardians
Hollywood Studios has Tower of Terror and Rock N Roller coaster (used to have GMR)
Animal Kingdom has Pandora, Dinosaur, Everest, and the Safari
Shanghai has Pirates and soon Zootopia
Hong Kong has Mystic Manor and Grizzly
Disneyland Paris has Phantom Manor and a unique Space Mountain
Disney Studios Paris has the Avengers coaster (and Rat used to be unique)
Tokyo Disneyland has Monsters Inc, Pooh, and now the only Splash Mountain
Disneysea has a unique Tower, 20.000 leagues, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Sindbad, and soon all the rides in the expansion.

What does MK have that’s unique? Hall of Presidents? Carousel of Progress? Laugh Floor?

 

[J4546]

I know they arent unique but I consider 7dwarves and Tron unique enough for me because I will probably never see the shanghai park in person and get to experience those things. both of those attractions are pretty swell imo (though i havent ridden tron yet) and you can only experience them in MK or Shanghai.

 

[cheezbat]

I know they arent unique but I consider 7dwarves and Tron unique enough for me because I will probably never see the shanghai park in person and get to experience those things. both of those attractions are pretty swell imo (though i havent ridden tron yet) and you can only experience them in MK or Shanghai.

While that’s true, my point is made….they exist at another castle park.

MK needs a few unique big additions.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

While that’s true, my point is made….they exist at another castle park.

MK needs a few unique big additions.

They had one involving an alien encounter...

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I find it really sad that the most popular theme park in the world doesn’t have that one unique stand out attraction.

Disneyland has Matterhorn
California Adventure has Guardians, Cars, Incredicoaster, and Grizzly
Epcot has Spaceship Earth, Test Track, and Guardians
Hollywood Studios has Tower of Terror and Rock N Roller coaster (used to have GMR)
Animal Kingdom has Pandora, Dinosaur, Everest, and the Safari
Shanghai has Pirates and soon Zootopia
Hong Kong has Mystic Manor and Grizzly
Disneyland Paris has Phantom Manor and a unique Space Mountain
Disney Studios Paris has the Avengers coaster (and Rat used to be unique)
Tokyo Disneyland has Monsters Inc, Pooh, and now the only Splash Mountain
Disneysea has a unique Tower, 20.000 leagues, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Sindbad, and soon all the rides in the expansion.

What does MK have that’s unique? Hall of Presidents? Carousel of Progress? Laugh Floor?

Magic Kingdom
Country Bear Jamboree (is there in Japan?) The People Mover, Carousel of Progress, Best Mickey's Philharmagic
7 Dwarfs Mine Train is the latest of them all

 

[cheezbat]

Magic Kingdom
Country Bear Jamboree (is there in Japan?) The People Mover, Carousel of Progress, Best Mickey's Philharmagic
7 Dwarfs Mine Train is the latest of them all

Country Bears are in Tokyo. 7 Dwarfs is in Shanghai. Philharmagic has been in multiple parks…and honestly it’s an outdated 3-d show. Not much to celebrate about.

Yes I forgot the Peoplemover….
But the sad thing is that’s the only unique ride…and it wasn’t unique years ago because Disneyland also had one.

 

[James Alucobond]

Country Bears are in Tokyo. 7 Dwarfs is in Shanghai. Philharmagic has been in multiple parks…and honestly it’s an outdated 3-d show. Not much to celebrate about.

Yes I forgot the Peoplemover….
But the sad thing is that’s the only unique ride…and it wasn’t unique years ago because Disneyland also had one.

It is the least unique because it is the most replicated. That other locations all essentially want their own copy of the Magic Kingdom with slight deviations is not really an indictment of the park.

 

[Ripken10]

Country Bears are in Tokyo. 7 Dwarfs is in Shanghai. Philharmagic has been in multiple parks…and honestly it’s an outdated 3-d show. Not much to celebrate about.

Yes I forgot the Peoplemover….
But the sad thing is that’s the only unique ride…and it wasn’t unique years ago because Disneyland also had one.

Personally I don't think the Magic Kingdom needs "unique" rides as you call it. Most people that visit don't visit the other parks, but if you want to get nit pickey there is a few rides that are unique to the Kingdom. Pretty sure we are the only ones that have Aladdin Carpets. Currently the only one that has Swiss Family Robinson Tree house. Who else has the Barnstormer? Carousel of Progress is unique to WDW. Monsters Inc Laugh floor is unique to WDW. Several rides are also different in the magic kingdom then other places. BUt again, I don't think 99% of people that visit care if they have a unique ride. WDW has plenty of unique rides, and it certainly more important that the other parks have unique rides.

 

[cheezbat]

It is the least unique because it is the most replicated. That other locations all essentially want their own copy of the Magic Kingdom with slight deviations is not really an indictment of the park.

Is it though? I mean, MK was copying Disneyland…with many of its attractions. All of the newer stuff have been clones or opened simultaneously(or close to it) with other parks versions…looking at all of the newer stuff: Mermaid opened at DCA and at MK. 7 Dwarfs was planned for both MK and Shanghai. Tron was originally planned for both MK and Shanghai as well.
What was originally at MK that got copied? Country Bears. Space Mountain. Buzz Lightyear. Winnie the Pooh. Philharmagic.

What’s even sadder about that list, is that every single copy is superior to the original. Space may be much larger being 2 tracks, but it’s in the worst shape of all of the versions.

 

[cheezbat]

Personally I don't think the Magic Kingdom needs "unique" rides as you call it. Most people that visit don't visit the other parks, but if you want to get nit pickey there is a few rides that are unique to the Kingdom. Pretty sure we are the only ones that have Aladdin Carpets. Currently the only one that has Swiss Family Robinson Tree house. Who else has the Barnstormer? Carousel of Progress is unique to WDW. Monsters Inc Laugh floor is unique to WDW. Several rides are also different in the magic kingdom then other places. BUt again, I don't think 99% of people that visit care if they have a unique ride. WDW has plenty of unique rides, and it certainly more important that the other parks have unique rides.

Multiple Treehouses in other DL parks. Magic Carpets are at WDSP and TDS. Barnstormers equivalent is Gadgets Go Coaster in DL and TDL.

MK unique attractions: Peoplemover, Carousel of Progress, Hall of Presidents, Monsters Inc.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Personally I don't think the Magic Kingdom needs "unique" rides as you call it. Most people that visit don't visit the other parks, but if you want to get nit pickey there is a few rides that are unique to the Kingdom. Pretty sure we are the only ones that have Aladdin Carpets. Currently the only one that has Swiss Family Robinson Tree house. Who else has the Barnstormer? Carousel of Progress is unique to WDW. Monsters Inc Laugh floor is unique to WDW. Several rides are also different in the magic kingdom then other places. BUt again, I don't think 99% of people that visit care if they have a unique ride. WDW has plenty of unique rides, and it certainly more important that the other parks have unique rides.

Magic Carpets of Aladdin is also in Disneyland Paris. Not sure if it came first to Paris or MK.

 

[James Alucobond]

What’s even sadder about that list, is that every single copy is superior to the original. Space may be much larger being 2 tracks, but it’s in the worst shape of all of the versions.

A separate issue entirely. That attractions are neither plussed often enough nor maintained sufficiently and that capacity has contracted somewhat are indeed issues; that many of the Magic Kingdom's attractions were either duplicated elsewhere or are themselves duplicates really is not. WDW is differentiated in general by the scope of the property, the variety of its resorts, and the nearly wholly unique array of supporting parks (though Hollywood Studios has been somewhat diminished in this regard). Magic Kingdom is supposed to be a comforting nexus of familiar lands and beloved rides. That's not to say that they shouldn't expand, but I don't see much reason to fret over it not having an attraction that meets very specific criteria for uniqueness when a majority of visitors likely have no intention of visiting any of the other parks to begin with.

 

[fgmnt]

Too many people think that Disney is loaded with money and can afford to build all these fantasy ideas anytime they want. They think that Disney is just being in-decisive or just un-sure of the correct idea to implement.

The hard reality that too many people (Pixie Dusters) must finally come to grips with is that Disney does NOT have the finances to afford much of these ideas right now. The truth is that Disney is laying of thousands and thousands of good people and will likely be broken into pieces and sold off separately down the road. For some, this is a really hard concept to swallow. It's like finding our your emperor has no clothes! Disney is now hurting BADLY and this is a fact.

It's like that scene in Forest Gump where he's running across the country and has a mob of "believers" that are following him religiously. When Forest stops and says he is tired and wants to go home...people are stunned in disbelief and they say "what?...what?...........what do "WE" do now??"

This is a harsh and painful reality for some people. We put this corporation on a pedestal and when we find out it's not what we think it is....we try to rationalize it away with all kinds of psychological tactics.

No,...not every fan is like this...but sadly, some very much ARE like this.

Their ability to take on capital projects does not really have to be dependent on the state of operations at the current year. Capital projects like new attractions are forward looking--I think that barring excessive management malfeasance (an "if" that feels bigger every passing quarter to me) domestic parks will be a viable money maker for a period of time longer than the useful life of any attraction they have built or have yet to build. If I wanted to give Bob the Elder any "outs" for not getting anything shovel ready between the goofy D23 run by Bob the Lesser and now, I could point to three things.

Volatility of interest rates more than his choice to slim down operations and reorganize the company. I think that excuse is gonna be gone in the next 6 months as rates hopefully will pause and start to decline. Looking inward, the willful rotting out of WDI by the Bobs and the embarrassing project management we have seen over the last 6 years in Orlando might also make them hesitant to start a new project without convincing themselves they can correct these problems. (For what it's worth, I think these problems are intractable as long as some current executives serve where they do). Third prong on this triton of suck is the uhh... undershooting of RoI... on some of Bob the Elder's pet projects in the NBA Experience, Galactic Starcruiser, and probably to an extent Galaxy's Edge itself. Slow delivery of projects + volatile interest rates + making bad capital investments are all problems, they just don't really pencil out as connected to Iger's job cuts and company reorg into the 3 segments we see now.

Frankly, the separating of the segments *should* (and by should, I mean, in the crazy alternate reality where the company is managed for long term growth and Ana de Armas is my wife) provide a better window to build in the parks than before--Parks is not there to float Disney+ or the ESPN ACC Network. If the executives want to sell a plan on getting some financing for a forward-looking capital project, they can find a way. Whether they want to? I would not hold your breath.

 

[Ripken10]

Multiple Treehouses in other DL parks. Magic Carpets are at WDSP and TDS. Barnstormers equivalent is Gadgets Go Coaster in DL and TDL.

MK unique attractions: Peoplemover, Carousel of Progress, Hall of Presidents, Monsters Inc.

Multiple tree houses is not the same. Barnstormers and gadgets are not the same any more than just being a family coaster. So there is more than you are giving f credit for

 

[doctornick]

Multiple Treehouses in other DL parks. Magic Carpets are at WDSP and TDS. Barnstormers equivalent is Gadgets Go Coaster in DL and TDL.

MK unique attractions: Peoplemover, Carousel of Progress, Hall of Presidents, Monsters Inc.

Enchanted Tales with Belle

 

[cheezbat]

Enchanted Tales with Belle

Pretty sad when we’re putting over the top meet and greets up with actual rides and real attractions.