Beast's Castle

MotherOfBirds

Well-Known Member
I'm still bummed that beast's castle has never been THE castle for a Disney park. I'm worried about the scaling when it comes to the trees behind the castle backstage. The birds won't be a problem because there's plenty of popcorn and french fries for them on the ground :lol:
 

JonnyK

Active Member
I'm still bummed that beast's castle has never been THE castle for a Disney park. I'm worried about the scaling when it comes to the trees behind the castle backstage. The birds won't be a problem because there's plenty of popcorn and french fries for them on the ground :lol:

"mommy, that bird looks big than the castle?" :ROFLOL:
 

PurpleRose

Active Member
I'm still bummed that beast's castle has never been THE castle for a Disney park. I'm worried about the scaling when it comes to the trees behind the castle backstage. The birds won't be a problem because there's plenty of popcorn and french fries for them on the ground :lol:

I was REALLY hoping they would have used Beast's castle for DLP. I think the castle looks fantastic and would make for a good symbol for DLP but alas....
 

MotherOfBirds

Well-Known Member
The only problem with that is that DLP was built long before BatB was released. I was really wishing that it would be the Shanghai castle, but to no avail :cry:

How far back from the "cave" entrance is the castle? I keep thinking about how the perspective of Hogwarts gets killed when you get right up underneath it.
 

Scuttle

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Nice video! This expansion is moving along at a good rate it looks like. Did it look like they fenced off an area for the 7 dwarfs mine train construction? Nevermind I just paused it and it doesn't look like it.
 

chucknstuff

Active Member
They might be giants..

I saw a picture of a construction worker working on Beast's Castle and the castle was ways smaller than I thought it was.

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It just goes to show how amazing Disney is with perspective magic!

These are actually the new 4th Generation AA's to be used through out the park....Can't wait to ride the Ladder ride!!!!!!:sohappy:
 

SDav10495

Member
The only problem with that is that DLP was built long before BatB was released.

Actually, not quite--Beauty and the Beast was released in 1991, and Euro Disney/DLP opened in 1992. Not only was the film out before the park opened, but the long development periods for both would have more or less overlapped. In retrospect, it really is rather surprising that Eisner didn't take the opportunity to tie in that hugely successful movie--which was not only set in France (helloooo) but also represented a revival of Disney's tradition of doing "fairy tale" stories--with the new theme park, which he so desperately wanted to be a triumph. (And aside from all that, of course, there is the point that Sleeping Beauty Castle at Disneyland was given its name four years before that film was released, so even if DLP had opened before BatB there was precedent for that sort of thing.)

Actually, I'm curious. Does anyone know an actual reason why they did not go the BatB route with the Paris castle? Was it perhaps to establish some sort of lineage with the original Disneyland? Otherwise it seems like such a no-brainer.

ETA: while we're all weighing in the FLE castle...am I the only one who is actually surprised at how large it is? I think in the back of my mind I'd been thinking much tinier--like, Storybook Land Canal Boats tiny. Now I realize this scale makes a lot more sense, but still, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see it tower over the construction crew. I think it will be great--maintaining the foliage behind it will be a concern, yes, and certainly there will be points at which the forced perspective is thrown off. But it really can't be much bigger than this, or it will throw off the scale of a land already packed with scaled-down versions of giant things (the seaside kingdom housing Little Mermaid, for instance, or the mountain housing the Snow White mine train).
 

ob1thx1138

Member
Actually, not quite--Beauty and the Beast was released in 1991, and Euro Disney/DLP opened in 1992. Not only was the film out before the park opened, but the long development periods for both would have more or less overlapped. In retrospect, it really is rather surprising that Eisner didn't take the opportunity to tie in that hugely successful movie--which was not only set in France (helloooo) but also represented a revival of Disney's tradition of doing "fairy tale" stories--with the new theme park, which he so desperately wanted to be a triumph. (And aside from all that, of course, there is the point that Sleeping Beauty Castle at Disneyland was given its name four years before that film was released, so even if DLP had opened before BatB there was precedent for that sort of thing.)

Actually, I'm curious. Does anyone know an actual reason why they did not go the BatB route with the Paris castle? Was it perhaps to establish some sort of lineage with the original Disneyland? Otherwise it seems like such a no-brainer.

ETA: while we're all weighing in the FLE castle...am I the only one who is actually surprised at how large it is? I think in the back of my mind I'd been thinking much tinier--like, Storybook Land Canal Boats tiny. Now I realize this scale makes a lot more sense, but still, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see it tower over the construction crew. I think it will be great--maintaining the foliage behind it will be a concern, yes, and certainly there will be points at which the forced perspective is thrown off. But it really can't be much bigger than this, or it will throw off the scale of a land already packed with scaled-down versions of giant things (the seaside kingdom housing Little Mermaid, for instance, or the mountain housing the Snow White mine train).

I would say the reason they did not go with BatB in DLP was because durring the planning phase, which I am sure began years before the movie castle design was ever finalized, they had no idea if the movie was going to be as successful as it was. Sure in the past Walt took chances like that, but in the modern era everything has to be number crunched and there is no way they are going to put in an attraction or large feature based on a movie before it becomes a classic.
 

PurpleRose

Active Member
ETA: while we're all weighing in the FLE castle...am I the only one who is actually surprised at how large it is? I think in the back of my mind I'd been thinking much tinier--like, Storybook Land Canal Boats tiny. Now I realize this scale makes a lot more sense, but still, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see it tower over the construction crew. I think it will be great--maintaining the foliage behind it will be a concern, yes, and certainly there will be points at which the forced perspective is thrown off. But it really can't be much bigger than this, or it will throw off the scale of a land already packed with scaled-down versions of giant things (the seaside kingdom housing Little Mermaid, for instance, or the mountain housing the Snow White mine train).

I think that it has to be the size it is for it to work. If it was Storybook Land Canal Boats tiny, there is no way the forced perspective to work for the BOG. Having seen it in person, yes it's small but the illusion will work.
 

pppapazo

Member
The official reports about the Be Our Guest restaurant in the Beast's castle state that the three dining rooms will be based on the Ballroom, West Wing, and Gallery. I distinctly recall the first two settings from the movie, but I don't recall the Gallery. Does anyone know if this room is this something new, conceived especially for this restaurant?
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
Actually, I'm curious. Does anyone know an actual reason why they did not go the BatB route with the Paris castle? Was it perhaps to establish some sort of lineage with the original Disneyland? Otherwise it seems like such a no-brainer.

Because they had no idea B&tB would be a hit.

We tend to romanticize that period, but that castle was designed long before they knew B&tB would survive very long. The only real hit Disney had was with TLM, and for all they knew it was a one-off. TLM was in '89, and B&tB was in '91 - in between was Rescuers Down Under.

It wasn't until Aladdin and then Lion King that it became clear that Disney was again making true "classics" that would hold up with it's earlier works. So it would have actually been seen as a huge risk to use an unknown quantity as the symbol of the park; while Walt did so himself with Sleeping Beauty castle (opening it before the film ever opened), it really wouldn't have been seen as a smart move at all at the time.
 

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