I may ramble a bit...forgive me.
And my own personal experiences from WDW in the early 80's to now in 2010 and wondering where it is going, is never far from my mind either.
I just love the place. Always have. And if you are on this website you most likely care to.
There are members on this site who have been there since opening day and remember even farther than I am able to and even those far younger than me who care as well. Very obvious from the amount of posting on this site.
Through management shifts, resignations, removals, etc, there has been various executives, people who call the shots, TDO, big bosses, big cheeses, or whatever people want to call it, without bursting a blood vessel, and progress gets in the way with the creative end when the business end can't reconcile with it and only sees the bottom line. An inertia, if you will, that is a hindrance to park progress. And it happens in businesses in general.
Seriously, it is a fact that there are people that greenlight or give the go ahead for certain things or don't, who can make changes and implement them, and are responsible for the parks and what direction they go in.
I came here to get takes on FLE not to witness petty arguing over TDO, and childish nonsense about posters disliking other posters opinions.
Not sure I care to argue about who exactly the directors are, I care more about the direction the parks go in. I am not a Disney executive or organization hierarchy expert nor do I care to be, nor would I care to be smug about it if I were or believed I were.
If anyone is a Disney executive that is in the boardroom and knows exactly what is going on with FLE, by all means, please correct me...
And fill me in about FLE because one can only speculate, and lately some people without definitive info have a hissy fit. Because a lot of what was fun about learning and getting people's takes on FLE is getting smug and abrasive. And we have a long time before the expansion is unveiled so I hope people cool it.
I would take a guess and say that most people on the site have not memorized every department and name of every high-ranking employee to throw it out on this website, so they give off the impression that they know it all. And if you did it's fantastic, and an asset to discussion, and not something to put other people down about.
And I don't mean referencing imagineer blogs, news releases, and insider info that comes from people that ACTUALLY work for Disney or do hear things referenced in a great discussion. Because that is smart to reference those articles, interviews, texts, etc. but I am sure that information even within the highest ranks can change and shift overtime, and unless we are all in the boardroom, who really knows for sure at this point in time?
Some people know that stuff, take such an interest, and post respectfully and do not throw their knowledge in other people's faces and ridicule their opinions or jump down their throat if they don't know something or disagree.
I feel for the people that have just joined this website or perhaps there are those that are afraid to post. Can't say I blame them.
I have seen it far too often this week and it is sad. I'd like to see less condescencion with differing viewpoints or those that get agitated if people don't know exactly what they do. If they even know anything valuable at all. Yes, people can know a lot regarding Disney info and put it into their posts, yet bring nothing to this forum's table. Believe it, it is happening.
Sorry that I wished to address this but I had someone already flip out at me and I could only imagine them yelling and putting their laptop in a headlock because I had a different opinion on what should be done with possible food selections in a certain attraction. Surely, the end of the world!
Whooh! Enough already.
I have been a member for two years and for some reason I come back this week after a long break and it is verbal claws out on some of the threads.
It's stifling the atmosphere.
And I'm not a lightweight nor easily offended, but so many threads I was on were battling it out and NOT debating light-heartedly as would be appropriate for a thread about a fairytale land in a theme park.
It's the same nonsense all week. People attack for no reason and provoke and I don't blame anyone for responding respectfully and in a firm yet articulate manner. They are not detracting from the posts by any means.
To digress for a moment...
Anyway, in my humble opinion, and that's all it is, the vision for MK shifts just as much as those in charge does. FutureWorld needs help, WS is underdeveloped, HS is missing a cohesive link, just to name a few things overall.
FLE costs money, correcting the above costs money, and I think that is why the FLE threads are so busy. Pondering what could be done elsewhere in the World or being totally behind FLE exactly as projected has everyone thinking.
Since the 80's there have been great dribs and drabs of developments like TOT, EE, and so many more steps in the right direction. But I'm surprised at what has unfolded in the last 20 years. With endless resources and a wealth of creative possibilities the parks have not tapped their full potential.
Will FLE do this? Because for a company that treads so cautiously in recent years this is a huge commitment on their part. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees this is a huge undertaking.
If not TDO, then who? Who is responsible then? Because there has been a disconnect for years.
The service, maintenance, and food quality in general is not what is was for me growing up. And it is sad to see. And to return every year with your once high expectations not being met and really on a slow decline. Not enough to cause a panic, not saying WDW does not have strengths, but people notice these things.
Not just in in these areas but in overall parks progress as the years pass, some moves by... I don't know, let's call them, The Powers That Be That Run WDW in Orlando are questionable.
Now, I have been off the boards for awhile, busy with work, etc. and gone for most of the time that recent news has developed. I have tried to spend this week really delving into what information is out there: artwork, details, plans, news etc. for the FLE for example, because I've been away.
And the bickering is just too much! There are some, very few, but still, that are always at the ready for an attack and I have to wonder why that is.
I, as a member that has been away for awhile, that enjoys the excellent posters, wishes the smug nonsense that really is unecessary and has no place here and on other threads would drop. And I have noticed that is a very few handful of people that seem to post in that fashion on every thread I have the misfortune to also be on.
There is debate...and then there is arguing just to argue...
Which gets the posters that are really seeking people's takes on various subjects pertaining to WDW reeling from the tediousness.
But I am a dreamer....perhaps it will stop...a dreamer...why I love the parks so much. Alas.
And I do not mean SeaCastle and DisneyParksFan 1 who are polite, witty, and excellent debaters either, and who posted before me.
And my own personal experiences from WDW in the early 80's to now in 2010 and wondering where it is going, is never far from my mind either.
I just love the place. Always have. And if you are on this website you most likely care to.
There are members on this site who have been there since opening day and remember even farther than I am able to and even those far younger than me who care as well. Very obvious from the amount of posting on this site.
Through management shifts, resignations, removals, etc, there has been various executives, people who call the shots, TDO, big bosses, big cheeses, or whatever people want to call it, without bursting a blood vessel, and progress gets in the way with the creative end when the business end can't reconcile with it and only sees the bottom line. An inertia, if you will, that is a hindrance to park progress. And it happens in businesses in general.
Seriously, it is a fact that there are people that greenlight or give the go ahead for certain things or don't, who can make changes and implement them, and are responsible for the parks and what direction they go in.
I came here to get takes on FLE not to witness petty arguing over TDO, and childish nonsense about posters disliking other posters opinions.
Not sure I care to argue about who exactly the directors are, I care more about the direction the parks go in. I am not a Disney executive or organization hierarchy expert nor do I care to be, nor would I care to be smug about it if I were or believed I were.
If anyone is a Disney executive that is in the boardroom and knows exactly what is going on with FLE, by all means, please correct me...
And fill me in about FLE because one can only speculate, and lately some people without definitive info have a hissy fit. Because a lot of what was fun about learning and getting people's takes on FLE is getting smug and abrasive. And we have a long time before the expansion is unveiled so I hope people cool it.
I would take a guess and say that most people on the site have not memorized every department and name of every high-ranking employee to throw it out on this website, so they give off the impression that they know it all. And if you did it's fantastic, and an asset to discussion, and not something to put other people down about.
And I don't mean referencing imagineer blogs, news releases, and insider info that comes from people that ACTUALLY work for Disney or do hear things referenced in a great discussion. Because that is smart to reference those articles, interviews, texts, etc. but I am sure that information even within the highest ranks can change and shift overtime, and unless we are all in the boardroom, who really knows for sure at this point in time?
Some people know that stuff, take such an interest, and post respectfully and do not throw their knowledge in other people's faces and ridicule their opinions or jump down their throat if they don't know something or disagree.
I feel for the people that have just joined this website or perhaps there are those that are afraid to post. Can't say I blame them.
I have seen it far too often this week and it is sad. I'd like to see less condescencion with differing viewpoints or those that get agitated if people don't know exactly what they do. If they even know anything valuable at all. Yes, people can know a lot regarding Disney info and put it into their posts, yet bring nothing to this forum's table. Believe it, it is happening.
Sorry that I wished to address this but I had someone already flip out at me and I could only imagine them yelling and putting their laptop in a headlock because I had a different opinion on what should be done with possible food selections in a certain attraction. Surely, the end of the world!
Whooh! Enough already.
I have been a member for two years and for some reason I come back this week after a long break and it is verbal claws out on some of the threads.
It's stifling the atmosphere.
And I'm not a lightweight nor easily offended, but so many threads I was on were battling it out and NOT debating light-heartedly as would be appropriate for a thread about a fairytale land in a theme park.
It's the same nonsense all week. People attack for no reason and provoke and I don't blame anyone for responding respectfully and in a firm yet articulate manner. They are not detracting from the posts by any means.
To digress for a moment...
Anyway, in my humble opinion, and that's all it is, the vision for MK shifts just as much as those in charge does. FutureWorld needs help, WS is underdeveloped, HS is missing a cohesive link, just to name a few things overall.
FLE costs money, correcting the above costs money, and I think that is why the FLE threads are so busy. Pondering what could be done elsewhere in the World or being totally behind FLE exactly as projected has everyone thinking.
Since the 80's there have been great dribs and drabs of developments like TOT, EE, and so many more steps in the right direction. But I'm surprised at what has unfolded in the last 20 years. With endless resources and a wealth of creative possibilities the parks have not tapped their full potential.
Will FLE do this? Because for a company that treads so cautiously in recent years this is a huge commitment on their part. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees this is a huge undertaking.
If not TDO, then who? Who is responsible then? Because there has been a disconnect for years.
The service, maintenance, and food quality in general is not what is was for me growing up. And it is sad to see. And to return every year with your once high expectations not being met and really on a slow decline. Not enough to cause a panic, not saying WDW does not have strengths, but people notice these things.
Not just in in these areas but in overall parks progress as the years pass, some moves by... I don't know, let's call them, The Powers That Be That Run WDW in Orlando are questionable.
Now, I have been off the boards for awhile, busy with work, etc. and gone for most of the time that recent news has developed. I have tried to spend this week really delving into what information is out there: artwork, details, plans, news etc. for the FLE for example, because I've been away.
And the bickering is just too much! There are some, very few, but still, that are always at the ready for an attack and I have to wonder why that is.
I, as a member that has been away for awhile, that enjoys the excellent posters, wishes the smug nonsense that really is unecessary and has no place here and on other threads would drop. And I have noticed that is a very few handful of people that seem to post in that fashion on every thread I have the misfortune to also be on.
There is debate...and then there is arguing just to argue...
Which gets the posters that are really seeking people's takes on various subjects pertaining to WDW reeling from the tediousness.
But I am a dreamer....perhaps it will stop...a dreamer...why I love the parks so much. Alas.
And I do not mean SeaCastle and DisneyParksFan 1 who are polite, witty, and excellent debaters either, and who posted before me.
