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Beastly Kingdom Discussion
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zooey
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It is kind of a joke.
Guests don't seem to understand the story and purpose of Dinoland. It's very self-aware. They intended the land to be familiar in a gaudy way, while at the same time delivering a story through its generic setting.
MotherOfBirds
Well-Known Member
Can someone from WDWmagic's Dynamic Trio confirm or deny that BK ain't ever happening? I hate to sound so pessimistic, especially since this was something I hoped for for years, but:
A. When BK got pushed back, some Imagineers were let go and they took their plans with them to IOA.
B. Orlando has WWoHP that already capitalizes heavily on dragons and European mythical beasts.
C. We're getting FLE (Fricken Large Expansion
). As far as the traditional European style goes, we're all fantasy-ed out.
I'm sure that if TDO was going to bulldoze CMM tomorrow, they would build South America or Australia and maybe include a mythical beast from that continent if they so chose. They'll keep going with legendary creatures, I'm sure, but just not in the same capacity that they planned to 14 years ago.
A. When BK got pushed back, some Imagineers were let go and they took their plans with them to IOA.
B. Orlando has WWoHP that already capitalizes heavily on dragons and European mythical beasts.
C. We're getting FLE (Fricken Large Expansion
). As far as the traditional European style goes, we're all fantasy-ed out.I'm sure that if TDO was going to bulldoze CMM tomorrow, they would build South America or Australia and maybe include a mythical beast from that continent if they so chose. They'll keep going with legendary creatures, I'm sure, but just not in the same capacity that they planned to 14 years ago.
WesternRiverExplorer
Member
What you have to realize is that the carnival section of that land, Dino-Rama, was never intended to exist when WDI was first designing and building the park. It came a few years after the park opened when those in charge forced WDI to add ride capacity quickly and cheaply. Thus, AK got it's own little piece of DCA 1.0. Originally that spot was to be home to a coaster themed to a dig site, called the Excavator.
Hardly. The concepts for Beastly Kingdom (that are out there if you look for them), look very little like what IOA got. The only similarity was Dragon Tower, but if ex Imagineers made that concept into Dueling Dragons, they gave IOA the bare bones version. Dragon Tower would've had a cast of humorous AA bats, rooms filled with treasure, and an encounter with a huge fire breathing dragon. Here's a detailed description by one of the designers:
http://www.mouseplanet.com/7124/Woulda_Coulda_Shoulda
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
The fact that they have not built it proves lack of creativity and innovation.
Seriously, $100 million on Everest, but not another $100 million for a new land and 2-3 rides?!?!?!?
It would singly handedly make the park relevant finally for a large group of guests that avoid the place like the plague.
Bender!
New Member
I think they just wanted to get a definite, permanent E-ticket into the AK, and thats where Everest came from.
Testtrack321
Well-Known Member
Eh... no. The parks opened a year apart, and the Imagineers who departed during construction only took the basics of the dragon coaster storyline to Dueling Dragons. So very little is shared.
Lord Pheonix
Active Member
for those of you who never played roller coaster tycoon in sandbox mode, that quote is EXACTLY right.
when you open a huge park, like ak, you have to put some cheezy stuff in it out towards its perimiter to get more people in and keep them in, kinda like when u go shopping with the carry basket and need to get a cart so u can hold more stuff. later, after the park has a steadily large attendance, then u can delete those lesser areas and build bigger stuff.
personally, although i never rode triceratops spin or played the "midway" type game, i dont really hate this section, after all, you need to be "little kid" friendly, cause not everyone can ride dinosaur or ee, so other then ks, thered be no rides for kids under 7'ish.
when playing rct, i used to put up a crappy ride way in the back, make the q line crazy long, (like 2 hour wait at least) then when it fills up, close the ride and (stupid filter deleted my word) err...um... AGGRIVATE all the people in line, hahaha. it was alot of fun.
making the coasters crash was entertaining too.
sbkline
Well-Known Member
Well, according to that 3 part Jim Hill link that someone posted a few posts back, there was enough shared for Michael Eisner and his team to recognize it when they visited IofA. It was the part 3 link, where Hill talked about how familiar the Lost Continent looked to Eisner and his team, as the dueling dragons coaster looked an awful lot like some of the plans for the dragon coaster that would have been the center piece of Beastly Kingdom. It was so recognizable, according to the article, that it was enough to kill the Beastly Kingdom project altogether. Regardless of who had the idea first, it was Universal who built it first, and Eisner didn't want Disney to be accused of ripping off a concept from Universal. And since that was to be the centerpiece of the proposed Beastly Kingdom project, it pretty well killed the idea.
MotherOfBirds
Well-Known Member
That's exactly what I was referring to. While the plans were not exactly alike, it still would've seemed like an IOA knockoff. I know it wasn't built due to budget constraints, but I think that if AK had built it anyway and went in the red for a little while, they would have ultimately made it back. It would've become like what Lost Continent was to IOA and would've given guests a reason to stay for the whole day, which is a problem right now because there aren't enough solid rides and attractions to really anchor the park down, if that makes any sense.
Disco Yeti
Member
Don't worry, Disney Rocks; I'm sure TDO is still committed to bringing mythical beasts to life. I mean, that's what they told me...
:lookaroun
B. Mode
The Disco Yeti
MotherOfBirds
Well-Known Member
Maybe they could incorporate unicorns or the Nessie into the park since those two aren't "taken". Why not turn the old Discovery Boats into a JC or Jaws type ride with sea monsters?
wizards8507
Active Member
I don't think that Universal has any sort of "dibs" on dragons, especially considering that Beastly Kingdomme, if it broke ground TOMORROW, wouldn't open until 2015.
Bender!
New Member
If anything, Disney outdoing Universal's dragons would actually be a big plus, no?
WDW FTW
Member
Ugh...im not sure how exciting a unicorn ride would be, busch gardens has a nessie type ride, and the other universal studios park in florida has a jaws ride... I dont like the chances with beastly kingdom.
This whole thread was started because of the parking icons, not to be a downer, but maybe they are just using them as a tribute to BK, or some other sort of reminder for AK's original plans even though they dont intend to get back to the idea. :shrug:
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Busch just dumped their dragonland last year and added Elmo and friends instead.
The widow of opportunity is opening!
zooey
Well-Known Member
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Widows make me sad.
Do they make you feel as blue as the screens they make?
