FigmentJedi
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Wouldn't it be great if they did a variant of the Castle opening with a John Williams arrangement of When You Wish Upon a Star?
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SirLink
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What in front of the next Star Wars film ... nope! Same with Marvel Studio films either put it through Touchstone Picture imprint or let it run as their separate entities ...
FigmentJedi
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I'm fine with keeping it off the Marvel movies, but there's something that feels kinda off about the idea of a Star Wars movie without the Fox fanfare that makes it feel kinda naked. Plus, there's Jim Henson's prophecy to take into consideration.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I'm betting they keep the Lucasfilm logo.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Certainly. But the question is with they have a Disney castle logo to go along with it, as a replacement for the Fox one that previously was used.
I'm ok with whatever logo they want as long as they buy the 20th Century Fox fanfare.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Yes that would be very very good.
JimboJones123
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[quotlike lllahu, post: 5885922, member: 6283"]I'm fine with keeping it off the Marvel movies, but there's something that feels kinda off about the idea of a Star Wars movie without the Fox fanfare that makes it feel kinda naked. Plus, there's Jim Henson's prophecy to take into consideration.
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Just like adding WB to the New Line logo before The Hobbit. New and different.
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Just like adding WB to the New Line logo before The Hobbit. New and different.
RSoxNo1
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You can look at 98-99 as a good time as well, DAK, RnRC, Test Track or 2005-2006 with Soarin', Lights Motors Action and Everest.You’ll get little argument from me that WWOHP’s substance was modest.
So was Terror of Terror (TOT) in 1994. Yet TOT was (and still is) an amazing theme park experience.
In many ways, 1994 represents the pinnacle of WDW. DHS was still new, DAK was in the planning stages, and WDW had just opened the most remarkable attraction since its early days. A water park had opened and another one was on the way. (I love WDW’s water parks, BTW.) Pleasure Island was there for adults who wanted to have some fun while a complete makeover of Downtown Disney was in the works.
Go back 20 years and almost no one was bashing Disney. It truly felt like “the place where dreams come true”. The pixie dust was pretty thick in those days.
No matter what you or I might think of the substance behind WWOHP, the fundamental reality is that WWOHP was phenomenal critical and economic success. Reviews were overwhelmingly positive and the expansion had a transforming effect on Universal’s cash flow.
It’s not always how much you spend; it’s how wisely you spend it.
Many have been critical of the New Fantasyland for having turned an entire area of the Magic Kingdom into one big kiddie park. Many have been critical of MyMagic+ for being a huge money grab approved by those with no appreciation of the theme park experience. Many have been critical of Pandora for being a poor choice of IP. And, of course, Disney takes takes an inordinate number of years to get these projects done.
Conversely, Universal is on a roll.
WWOHP was an unbelievable success. Both Minions Mayhem and Transformers were positively received. All 3 were relatively inexpensive. And Diagon Alley promises to be the most amazing addition to a theme park since WWOHP.
Disney continues to invest poorly while Universal invests wisely.
Magenta Panther
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God, and some think the prophecies of Nostradamus are depressing. Who would have thought back then that BOTH of those properties would wind up shoe-horned into the Walt Disney Company? Sad...
Depends on your view of those attractions !
SirLink
Well-Known Member
Amen to that Martin.
michmousefan
Well-Known Member
Tons of possibilities... especially with some slower show scenes with animatronics and other magic... it would be great if TDO was to actually make the ride as thrilling as GK, but even if they reduced the loops to say... three... it could still be amazing. As with R&R, if a lot of the ride is in the dark (space), there's so much they could do in terms of scenery. Call it "Death Star Destroyer" -- or whatever Big Bad Mr. Abrams, Mr. Kasdan and others are coming up with right now...
The Empress Lilly
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I'd consider 98-99 a miserable time. DAK was hopelessly underbuild. RnRC is great but does nothing for the theme of the area. TT is misplaced in FW and is decidely non-Disney by nature to begin with.
In fact, both RnRC and TT, together with the Richard Petty / Nascar Racing racetrack of the same period, feel like panicked products to 'masculinize' Disney. A masculinization which they sought in the most unimaginative, mistaken way of adding 'cars and explosions'. Frankly I find them disruptive, mood-breaking additions.
Products of an era in which Disney was embarrassed of itself, the period that also saw the destruction of FW as the obsolete pipedreams of Walties, and of hiding the Tiki birds under a layer of irony. Disney was trying to convey it was too cool for Disney.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The ship had already turned in the 90s. Only great things in that period was sunset blvd at MGM and maybe blizzard beach (tho not as impressive as TL was)
Epcot was already pointed the wrong direction.... Dak? Could care less honestly. I like some of the attractions but if they were somewhere else I wouldn't mind
Makes me call the inflection point 1990
Epcot was already pointed the wrong direction.... Dak? Could care less honestly. I like some of the attractions but if they were somewhere else I wouldn't mind
Makes me call the inflection point 1990
The Empress Lilly
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I think the turning point for me is 1994. This keeps ToT and Sunset Blvd on the right side of the turning point. Blizzard too, which was nearly finished. And DLP. Plus it nicely coincides with the end of the Disney Renaissance in animation. (Although they kept churning out some great movies in the second half of the 90s!)
The death of Wells as the decisive creative tipping point then, after all?
Although to me some of the later and current misdirections already started after 1984, it just took some time to kick in.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I like your references. For me, I tend to sneak it forward a bit more because of the EPCOT abuse. The grandeous vision behind EPCOT was sorely lacking with the decisions that lead to the follies leading up to the FW overhaul in '94. I use that lack of leadership as the bell weather to show things were broke. Typhoon is a great example of the company was still willing to spend to bring lush, extravagent environments... the company was still spending big (DLP, ToT, even the FW replacements).. but it seems those were the last cohesive thoughts coming out of the pipeline and poor choices a plenty were to closely follow.
When MGM was still new, and PI was still fresh..TL just opened.. the property just felt alive and invincible. My trip in '90 just felt like the culmination of the WDW experience. From backstage tours, to PI, to the new MGM.. it was great.
the.dreamfinder
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I'm thinking EuroDisney was a major contributing factor. In hindsight, it seems plausible that strategic planning folks like Rasulo and Staggs would lump DLP's healthy budget in with "overspending" (on hotels). Lots of projects died or were cut down because of it like Westcot/Port Disney and WDW Disney Decade. Also, Sunset Blvd has tons of expansion pads. One could argue ToT was just Phase One and we know Disney never builds their planned Phase Twos!
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
In retrospect, I think that your personal experience may have coincided with an actual high point. That your subjective pinnacle was an objective pinnacle. WDW may never have been better than in 1990. The best of both worlds, so to speak. The old, classic WDW was still there, combined with all the vibrancy and new energy of the first Eisner years. Brilliant times.
The Empress Lilly
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Peculiarly, I was just thinking pretty much the same thing about Sunset two minutes ago. I was going to say "and now enter Marni to tell us that Sunset was never finished, and that they had wild plans for the north side where the makeshift shacks and seating area are, all the way to RnRC".
DLP, for actual or perceived failure, has been such a turning point. Before, the idea was 'if you build it, they will come'. All parks were fanatastic and overbuild. Only MGM was underbuild when it opened, but only in physical size, not too cheaply, not at all! After DLP, all parks were underbuild and underfunded, and all have been rubbish and wrere or are in dire need of masive overhauls. (Except OLC's DisneySea, which so painfully shows what can be achieved with a 21st century Disney theme park if done properly)