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FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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JWG said:
And there's a belief that Pop Century may become AoA 2.0 when it comes time for renovations. That's just speculation though.
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And some of the work's already been done for them considering the Lady and the Tramp, Jungle Book and Roger Rabbit stuff. Expand on those, convert the rest of the stuff into other movies (Hell, recycle the Pac-Man stuff from the 80s era for a Wreck-It Ralph complex) and there you go.
 
EPCOTCenterLover

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Gabe1 said:
And I have no doubt it was a sure thing at the time, just nothing is a sure thing in The World of Disney until it is Vertical and not always then. Remember the Pop Legendary Years? They left that sit vertical a decade, one day there were construction workers the next day poof.



I'm not staying in those buildings.
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That video was scarier than The Haunted Mansion. When the person filming it went into the deserted building, I fully expected a gator to pop up any minute!
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
sshindel said:
But why don't improvements to the WDW resort as a whole count? Improving DTD will have a positive impact on the guest experience for those that visit DTD. Additional DVC buildings will add capacity (and dollars) to support the parks well into any future expansions they may or may not choose. And let's not forget they are still finishing construction on a brand new ride in a brand new section of the park (ok, a mostly reclaimed section), and about to start construction on a new land.
The concern here is not new additions, but pace and taste. They are not building "fast enough for me" or "what I want them to build".
Disney is playing a long term game here. Uni could build 2 new parks in the next 5 years and still not come close to taking the throne from Disney. Uni needs to rush to try and capitalize on momentum. Disney does not. They can continue additions at their own pace because they are playing for the next 50+ years.
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Disney completely mucked up PI 10 years ago and it's been a decaying wasteland ever since, Now Iger/Staggs/Rasulo want to create a mini 'Mall of America' at Disney - Trouble is other than Starbucks they have no tenants and grandiose ideas for the rent they can charge. Meanwhile they are significantly hurting existing tenants during the glacial construction process.

What Disney SHOULD have done is held a competition for mall companies to build and manage the mall FOR them and simply taken a cut off the top, Tenants would have been happy as they have a known partner to negotiate with.

They closed the Adventurer's Club - why because fanboi's would hang out and drink cokes, That was one club where they SHOULD have had a cover charge say $9.95 It was immensely popular when it closed and it has been replaced with NOTHING.

Like it or not Disney is becoming known as a 'Little Kids' park, Kids don't want to go to Disney any longer when they hit 4'.01" inches. But right now WDW is a park for the pre-K to 2nd grade kids. Once UNI builds a few more family C ticket rides + Potter v 2.0 and 3.0 Disney is going to be in a very bad competitive spot.

Disney needs a stream of C tickets at each park to keep them 'fresh' We'd all love a E ticket every year but thats not realistic 1 every 3-5 years is realistic - UNI is playing catch up but that will end at some point but Disney seems bent on charging more for the same stale experience. At some point the momentum WILL shift to UNI if Disney stays on the same course it is currently maintaining.
 
WDWDad13

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wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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Sue_Vongello said:
This is a balanced response but I must make one semi-contrary point ... that there are enough facts and circumstantial evidence to support the assertion that A) MM+ is behind schedule, B) MM+ is overbudget, and C) spending has been reduced from other areas subsequently.

Here's the facts:

A) Staggs, Iger, and official Parks Blog indicated in January of 2013 that it will be rolled out in the next couple of months, at one point Iger said in an interview that Summer of 2013 was the plan ... it's now 2014 it's not rolled out completely. THE RESULT: Behind schedule

B) Due to the project being behind schedule (in addition to the technical issues it's faced) it's a cause and effect thing ... the project HAS to be over budget if it's this far behind schedule. We don't need an insider to tell us it's over budget, we can see it is.

C) Spending has been reduced from other areas? Perhaps this takes the biggest leap of faith but not really ... we know MM+ is behind schedule therefore we know it's over budget and we KNOW nothing major has been announced since Avatar in 2011 (outside of Disney Springs). I'm not saying anything about construction or rumors, let's just deal with real facts ... so for roughly three years they have announced NOTHING.

What can we logically infer from that? That money is tight, that money is being spent elsewhere and since we know MM+ is behind schedule thus over budget we can assume that's where it is.

So to me, you don't need any insider information. Just based on what we can see and what is real you can state fairly definitively that MM+ is behind schedule, over budget, and has affected improvements/additions in the theme parks. And until something major is announced (that isn't a shopping/dining district/hotel that turns a profit relative to it's construction costs) then it'll be hard to make a counter argument.

That being said I appreciate your balanced response, I just wanted to make this point not directed at you personally or as a contrary response but ... I guess just to make it. ;)
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what this guy said. /\ agreed. Thank you

And also what this guy said \/ agreed. Yes sir!
Minthorne said:
All I can say is I just got back from a week at Disney/universal and Universal is doing things right. I had little motivation to head into the Disney Parks. I'd like more new inventive rides at Disney please - not themed bathrooms and copies of boring little mermaid mistakes.
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sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Sue_Vongello said:
This is a balanced response but I must make one semi-contrary point ... that there are enough facts and circumstantial evidence to support the assertion that A) MM+ is behind schedule, B) MM+ is overbudget, and C) spending has been reduced from other areas subsequently.

Here's the facts:

A) Staggs, Iger, and official Parks Blog indicated in January of 2013 that it will be rolled out in the next couple of months, at one point Iger said in an interview that Summer of 2013 was the plan ... it's now 2014 it's not rolled out completely. THE RESULT: Behind schedule

B) Due to the project being behind schedule (in addition to the technical issues it's faced) it's a cause and effect thing ... the project HAS to be over budget if it's this far behind schedule. We don't need an insider to tell us it's over budget, we can see it is.

C) Spending has been reduced from other areas? Perhaps this takes the biggest leap of faith but not really ... we know MM+ is behind schedule therefore we know it's over budget and we KNOW nothing major has been announced since Avatar in 2011 (outside of Disney Springs). I'm not saying anything about construction or rumors, let's just deal with real facts ... so for roughly three years they have announced NOTHING.

What can we logically infer from that? That money is tight, that money is being spent elsewhere and since we know MM+ is behind schedule thus over budget we can assume that's where it is.

So to me, you don't need any insider information. Just based on what we can see and what is real you can state fairly definitively that MM+ is behind schedule, over budget, and has affected improvements/additions in the theme parks. And until something major is announced (that isn't a shopping/dining district/hotel that turns a profit relative to it's construction costs) then it'll be hard to make a counter argument.

That being said I appreciate your balanced response, I just wanted to make this point not directed at you personally or as a contrary response but ... I guess just to make it. ;)
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Very valid points. And I didn't mean to say that speculation was not likely spot on, or that our insiders were wrong. You point out some very solid assumptions that can be made from the info we have. It's likely spot on that the project is way over budget, past timeframes, and affecting future projects. I feel that the last oneis the bigger leap, but likely a valid one.
I was mostly trying to point out that as valid as speculation likely is, it still is just speculation, and I see it presented as fact quite often.
I tend to agree with the thought that MM+ is likely putting a halt on current new development. I just also tend to feel that this is probably a very short term thing, that will be lifted soon. Those are just gut feelings though.
 
Sue_Vongello

Sue_Vongello

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sshindel said:
Very valid points. And I didn't mean to say that speculation was not likely spot on, or that our insiders were wrong. You point out some very solid assumptions that can be made from the info we have. It's likely spot on that the project is way over budget, past timeframes, and affecting future projects. I feel that the last oneis the bigger leap, but likely a valid one.
I was mostly trying to point out that as valid as speculation likely is, it still is just speculation, and I see it presented as fact quite often.
I tend to agree with the thought that MM+ is likely putting a halt on current new development. I just also tend to feel that this is probably a very short term thing, that will be lifted soon. Those are just gut feelings though.
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Yea I don't have a piece of paper with evidence that I can point to connecting A to B, but like I said we KNOW MM+ is behind schedule and must be over budget and nothing has been announced in three years ...

It's like this if I eat some dish at a restaurant and my friend eats from the same dish and we both end up sick that night, then we know the food made us sick. Now ... do we know what the food did inside our intestines to make us sick and therefore prove it was the food? No. But our critical thinking leads us to the natural assumption. But then again I am not a doctor and maybe we shared the same drink ... and made out ... or whatever so maybe it was something else ...

Wait, what am I talking about?
 
K

KCMouse

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We used to go to Disney World twice a year for a week at a time. I never thought that would change until we took a Disney Cruise in 2012. If you want to see Disney doing things right then go on a cruise. We have since changed our vacations to Disney Cruises with one day at a park.

Looking at this thread makes me sad. How can one divison of parks get it right and another divison of parks lose their way?
 
drew81

drew81

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WDWDad13 said:
This is GREAT!!! I mean that.... This is a good article (and weren't people recently on here calling Garcia a Disney wh*** lol)

they aren't going to really win the theme park war but starting a war might finally make Disney get the guns out of storage?
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Yeah it was. Of course, it's all untrue. Universal will never grab that much market share. It's all a farce.

It reminded me of the Sentinel article about the broken Yeti. The one that caused TDO to be filled with angry execs because they were shown up and made their current vacation planning dvd misleading showing a working Yeti.
 
sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Sue_Vongello said:
Yea I don't have a piece of paper with evidence that I can point to connecting A to B, but like I said we KNOW MM+ is behind schedule and must be over budget and nothing has been announced in three years ...
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Not to nitpick ( which is a funny turn of phrase to start a statement when I am immediately going to nitpick :p), but Avatar, Seven Dwarfs, and Disney Springs were all announced in the last three years.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
drew81 said:
Yeah it was. Of course, it's all untrue. Universal will never grab that much market share. It's all a farce.

It reminded me of the Sentinel article about the broken Yeti. The one that caused TDO to be filled with angry execs because they were shown up and made their current vacation planning dvd misleading showing a working Yeti.
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Misleading is too gentle a term - how about outright LYING about the state of attractions.
 
WDWDad13

WDWDad13

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ford91exploder said:
Misleading is too gentle a term - how about outright LYING about the state of attractions.
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Look the yeti taking a swipe at you was very cool but if you didn't look up in those 2-3 seconds you didn't see it move because you were moving and shaking around a lot too. Do I wish they'd fix the dang thing absolutely but do I think the disco strobe yeti is bad...not at all. It goes by so fast and you're already disoriented plus moving up towards this big yeti creature....what they have today works just fine. If the yeti had never moved and been in this mode all along no one would complain about it

Just my opinion
 

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