Rumor Avengers E-Ticket More Dead Than You'd Think

the_rich

the_rich

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And even if disney+ cannibalizes some of the legs disney isn't going to care. Each progressive week disney gets less and less of a percentage from the theaters. That 60 mil is really the equivalent of another 120 mil for the opening weekend. Because disney only sees half from the theaters.
 
DrAlice

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fctiger said:
You're telling me! That's certainly true, especially if you're seeing movies in California when the average ticket price is around $15. So yeah you definitely save more as a family. People complain about the $30 price but yeah it's worth it if you REALLY want to see a big movie when it opens and have a big family.

Plus I didn't know until a few days ago those Disney+ premieres let you keep watching the movie forever from that point on as long as you keep D+. I thought it was more of a rental thing like most digital sites where you can only watch it for a few days. But the fact it lets you keep it is another huge advantage over seeing it in a theater. HBO Max is an amazing deal because you get every new release for absolutely free but you only have a month to watch it before they're gone again.
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Or.... You could just wait a bit and watch it on Disney+ without the Premier surcharge.
 
Tamandua

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The Hitchhiker said:
Is money the measure of might?

Let's be honest here, Black Widow simply does not have the same buzz around it as Endgame, Far from Home, Wandavision, or Loki. Regardless of how much money it made, that does not make the film a cultural success. Avatar's the obvious example of financial success not equating to cultural success, but we can also just look at Disney's latest live action remakes, such as Aladdin or The Lion King, that have raked in the money but have been hammered by those who saw them. If we want evidence that Marvel is still doing fine, look at the success of 2/3 of their D+ shows. Not only financial hits, they're frequently discussed and praised by those who watched them. I've seen no buzz for Black Widow except by your run of the mill Marvel fans who love everything they put out. Honestly, the only comments I've really seen about Black Widow is how they butchered Taskmaster.

Anyway, Marvel's not failing (not yet, anyway), but Black Widow's opening weekend isn't evidence of the MCU's longevity post-Endgame; Wandavision and Loki, however, are.
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I was surprised by black widow. I thought they would put something in there to give people a reason to keep watching the series... Like a set up or tease of some larger epic plot. But it was pretty boring and did nothing to make you feel like you need to keep watching. I'm glad I watched it on someone's Disney+ and didn't pay for it. If this were 2008, it would have been something interesting, but in 2021 after dozens of these movies, the only thing it did for me was make me feel like I'm not missing anything if I stop watching.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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The Hitchhiker said:
Is money the measure of might?

Let's be honest here, Black Widow simply does not have the same buzz around it as Endgame, Far from Home, Wandavision, or Loki. Regardless of how much money it made, that does not make the film a cultural success. Avatar's the obvious example of financial success not equating to cultural success, but we can also just look at Disney's latest live action remakes, such as Aladdin or The Lion King, that have raked in the money but have been hammered by those who saw them. If we want evidence that Marvel is still doing fine, look at the success of 2/3 of their D+ shows. Not only financial hits, they're frequently discussed and praised by those who watched them. I've seen no buzz for Black Widow except by your run of the mill Marvel fans who love everything they put out. Honestly, the only comments I've really seen about Black Widow is how they butchered Taskmaster.

Anyway, Marvel's not failing (not yet, anyway), but Black Widow's opening weekend isn't evidence of the MCU's longevity post-Endgame; Wandavision and Loki, however, are.
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The point is that some posters here have been predicting the MCU downfall for a long time now, only to be proven wrong time and again. BW isn't going to be a cultural event, it was never meant to be. Its a standalone film that fills in the gaps of one of the primary characters backstory, similar to Winter Solider. Its a end cap story to round out the character. The standalone films so far have all performed pretty similarly when it comes to post-film discussions, which is not much a couple months after release. And I expect the same will happen with BW.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Tamandua said:
I was surprised by black widow. I thought they would put something in there to give people a reason to keep watching the series... Like a set up or tease of some larger epic plot. But it was pretty boring and did nothing to make you feel like you need to keep watching. I'm glad I watched it on someone's Disney+ and didn't pay for it. If this were 2008, it would have been something interesting, but in 2021 after dozens of these movies, the only thing it did for me was make me feel like I'm not missing anything if I stop watching.
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Then you missed the end credit scene which sets up a big part of the future of the MCU.
 
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fctiger

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DrAlice said:
Or.... You could just wait a bit and watch it on Disney+ without the Premier surcharge.
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True, but for hardcore MCU fans like my family no way would that fly lol. It's like telling someone they can't open their Christmas presents until March. And they don't want to be spoiled and NONE of us are good at trying to keep spoilers away. We saw the movie yesterday, 2 days after it debut and it felt like it was a little long to see it. I can't imagine waiting 3 months.
 
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fctiger

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The Hitchhiker said:
Is money the measure of might?

Let's be honest here, Black Widow simply does not have the same buzz around it as Endgame, Far from Home, Wandavision, or Loki. Regardless of how much money it made, that does not make the film a cultural success. Avatar's the obvious example of financial success not equating to cultural success, but we can also just look at Disney's latest live action remakes, such as Aladdin or The Lion King, that have raked in the money but have been hammered by those who saw them. If we want evidence that Marvel is still doing fine, look at the success of 2/3 of their D+ shows. Not only financial hits, they're frequently discussed and praised by those who watched them. I've seen no buzz for Black Widow except by your run of the mill Marvel fans who love everything they put out. Honestly, the only comments I've really seen about Black Widow is how they butchered Taskmaster.

Anyway, Marvel's not failing (not yet, anyway), but Black Widow's opening weekend isn't evidence of the MCU's longevity post-Endgame; Wandavision and Loki, however, are.
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You can't really compare WandaVision and Loki though. People are basically getting those shows for free if they were already subscribers and of course most with a D+ account will watch them, some just out of curiosity if they are not big Marvel fans because why not? Now of course there were probably people who subscribed to the service just to watch them but we have no idea how many those are.

But as far as BW, sure, I don't disagree too much. It's not Endgame but it's not suppose to be either. I mean, the movie is about a character who is already, spoiler alert, dead. And it's a prequel (obviously) so its not going to have the same impact. But that said, it's still crazy just how much buzz it's gotten considering nothing in the movie really mattered to everything happening now in the MCU minus one scene which I won't spoil obviously.
 
D.Silentu

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fctiger said:
And they don't want to be spoiled and NONE of us are good at trying to keep spoilers away
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I hear you, but in this case you're safe as there isn't anything to give away save for a minor setup post credits:

Natasha Romanoff's sister, a former Black Widow herself, is deceptively told that Hawkeye is responsible for her sister's death
 
Curious Constance

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We saw Black Widow in the theater. I can justify spending the money to go to see a movie in theaters, but I can't ever imagine spending $30 to watch it at home.

I thought the movie was very good. I watch all of the Marvel movies/shows, like them all pretty much, but I'm not like an AVID fan or anything. I have to pause to have my son explain things to me sometimes. I'm just not interested in devoting my life to learning all there is to learn about all the characters and such, hahaha. I knew little about the story line going in, but was pleasantly surprised and thought it was a great "ending" to the character.
 
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fctiger

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D.Silentu said:
I hear you, but in this case you're safe as there isn't anything to give away save for a minor setup post credits:
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Well sure, but we are still invested in the story itself. It's not just always 'what's next?????' it's just to see how they presented BW and her circumstances after Civil War. And my kids LOVED it. Loved it a lot more than me and my girlfriend if I'm being honest did but we all thought was still a good movie. We're already thinking about seeing it again (but we have AMC A-list and that helps A LOT). Man I really missed being in a theater now that we finally went back to one.
 
Tamandua

Tamandua

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I couldn't help but feel like Black Widow was trying to be a smaller, more story focused movie than other marvel movies, but it kept getting sidetracked into mindless action sequences. The fact that it cost $200 million to make should dispel any notions of a smaller, more thoughtful movie. I would love to see what would happen if marvel hired one of these rising star directors and said "you have only $30 million but you can do whatever you want." Instead, you can tell most of this movie was made by the usual team and then they let whoever the "director" was on this one throw in some expository scenes here and there. It reminds me of when they started filming the second transformers movie while all the writers were on strike and they just started filming action sequences and figured the writers would connect the dots later when they got back to work.
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Disney Irish said:
Wrong, $140M (domestic theaters + D+) puts it 10th overall for openings in the MCU. Plus you can't say it won't have staying power, you don't know that.

Marvel is doing just fine.
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LOL no its not. 140 is not what it earned in theatres. i dont care what people paid on disney plus. the box offfice is all that matter. and its opened on the low end in theatres plain and simple. wait until you see how big Shang-Chi and Eternals BOMB
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waltography

waltography

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Tamandua said:
I couldn't help but feel like Black Widow was trying to be a smaller, more story focused movie than other marvel movies, but it kept getting sidetracked into mindless action sequences. The fact that it cost $200 million to make should dispel any notions of a smaller, more thoughtful movie. I would love to see what would happen if marvel hired one of these rising star directors and said "you have only $30 million but you can do whatever you want." Instead, you can tell most of this movie was made by the usual team and then they let whoever the "director" was on this one throw in some expository scenes here and there. It reminds me of when they started filming the second transformers movie while all the writers were on strike and they just started filming action sequences and figured the writers would connect the dots later when they got back to work.
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I agree for the most part (though I do think they were largely successful in blending the action with the family, but I'm used to drastic tonal changes from years of watching K-dramas 😂). Cate Shortland seems to have really wanted to do a domestic family drama with superheroes, especially with that great dinner scene midway through the movie. Problem is, The Incredibles already did that and landed the tonal shifting a little more deftly.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
LOL no its not. 140 is not what it earned in theatres. i dont care what people paid on disney plus. the box offfice is all that matter. and its opened on the low end in theatres plain and simple. wait until you see how big Shang-Chi and Eternals BOMB
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And yes D+ does count because its still money spent during opening weekend by people who would have otherwise gone to the theaters or not seen it until later. We're in a new era of media consumption with streaming, the BO is not the only money a movie makes opening weekend anymore.

As for Shang-Chi and Eternal, you claimed Cruella was going to bomb also and its done just fine. So I think your barometer on predicting whether a movie will bomb is just a bit off.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Tamandua said:
I saw it but I either didn't get it or didn't care. I haven't been watching all the marvel TV shows so I assume it's related to that, but I'm not going to try to watch all this stuff. It's too time consuming. I watched wandavision and didn't care for it.
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It sets up the next story arc in both the movies and the D+ shows.
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Disney Irish said:
Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And yes D+ does count because its still money spent during opening weekend by people who would have otherwise gone to the theaters or not seen it until later. We're in a new era of media consumption with streaming, the BO is not the only money a movie makes opening weekend anymore.

As for Shang-Chi and Eternal, you claimed Cruella was going to bomb also and its done just fine. So I think your barometer on predicting whether a movie will bomb is just a bit off.
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Cruella did not do "just fine" and got roasted in reviews.
 

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