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fctiger

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
True, but I think if they’re going to continue to use the MCU as the jumping off point then they’ll likely use specific stories that aren’t tied to a specific movie story-arc. Basically think of the Marvel Theme Park Universe (MTPU), actual Disney term, as separate but inspired directly by the MCU.
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Yes I think this is the way they are going as well! They are part of the MCU but their story lines are basically in an alternate universe so they can shape the stories anyway they want from the films. And I love the idea of a MPTU and remembered Fresh Baked made a video about this a year or two ago. But I liked his idea too and that was that the rides themselves would not only take on another life but they could start connecting them as more are built. Nothing grand, just more subtle things like maybe you would see a picture of Tony Stark defeating a Hydra robot in Hong Kong in the Spider Man queue in DCA or the GOTG rides in DCA and Epcot may reference each of those adventures.

Disney is all about cross promotion and while they have done minor ride crossovers in the past its pretty minimum given so many are in different locations and eras. But MCU all takes place in the same era and naturally the characters (now) pretty much know each other. So they could build story lines connecting all the Marvel attractions together worldwide.

And they've already done that with Star Wars now that Star Tours ends in Galaxy Edge and I won't be shocked Star Tours is represented in that land somewhere. So imagine what it could be like when Marvel is fully up and running.
 
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fctiger

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
I'm a big fan of the MCU. My opinion is while its a good jumping off point as a way to introduce characters and stories into the parks. It also limits them to only using the handful of characters that are currently available. Whereas if you expand to outside the movies they have as you know thousands of characters they could use. So as a parks fan and a fan of Marvel I'm hope for more than just the MCU.

But I will not be disappointed if they stick to just the MCU. ;)
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I see what you're saying but the MCU is expanding so quickly with not just movies but TV shows there aren't going to be that many characters outside of it they really want to use for theme park rides anyway. Let's be honest, if there was no GOTG movie there would be no GOTG ride because they would've just felt too obscure and unknown to build an entire attraction around. But now since they make more money than Batman and Superman apparently its just easier to get that project off the ground. And in all my years of going to theme parks worldwide, I can't think of one character, comics or otherwise, that wasn't already very popular when it was built. That's why they are there.

The thing about MCU is either most of the biggest characters are already there OR once they do use a more obscure character they become a household name. They just recently announced they are making an Eternal movie. I'm sure 90% of people are thinking 'who' and that's the thing. Pretty sure most people said the same thing when GOTG or Inhumans were announced (the latter never got a movie but they are in AoS and had that really bad show). Kids will be lining up for the those toys in a few years.

In other words more than likely most rides will be from characters in the MCU but because the MCU is so big any chance for any smaller character to get an attraction is by being included IN the MCU like GOTG. And now that they own FOX we can get other popular characters like X-Men as a ride (hypothetically).
 
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fctiger said:
I see what you're saying but the MCU is expanding so quickly with not just movies but TV shows there aren't going to be that many characters outside of it they really want to use for theme park rides anyway. Let's be honest, if there was no GOTG movie there would be no GOTG ride because they would've just felt too obscure and unknown to build an entire attraction around. But now since they make more money than Batman and Superman apparently its just easier to get that project off the ground. And in all my years of going to theme parks worldwide, I can't think of one character, comics or otherwise, that wasn't already very popular when it was built. That's why they are there.

The thing about MCU is either most of the biggest characters are already there OR once they do use a more obscure character they become a household name. They just recently announced they are making an Eternal movie. I'm sure 90% of people are thinking 'who' and that's the thing. Pretty sure most people said the same thing when GOTG or Inhumans were announced (the latter never got a movie but they are in AoS and had that really bad show). Kids will be lining up for the those toys in a few years.

In other words more than likely most rides will be from characters in the MCU but because the MCU is so big any chance for any smaller character to get an attraction is by being included IN the MCU like GOTG. And now that they own FOX we can get other popular characters like X-Men as a ride (hypothetically).
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I honestly was thinking beyond rides and more into the lands themselves. Having little Easter Egg references for the long time Marvel fans scattered around the land. For example having references to Namor or Morbius, which as far as I know may not ever make it into the MCU, would give fans something to look for. They started to do that with the Collector's gallery in GotG:MB. But there wasn't a lot of non-MCU Marvel references, something they hinted at when it opened. So it felt disappointing to me. Anyways, this is really just me wishing out loud.

Now one thing I will say is that with the Netflix and Freeform series like Cloak and Dagger and The Runaways being part of the MCU. There is hope that lesser known characters will make it into the MCU at some point. So I'll agree with you there. :)
 
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fctiger

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
I honestly was thinking beyond rides and more into the lands themselves. Having little Easter Egg references for the long time Marvel fans scattered around the land. For example having references to Namor or Morbius, which as far as I know may not ever make it into the MCU, would give fans something to look for. They started to do that with the Collector's gallery in GotG:MB. But there wasn't a lot of non-MCU Marvel references, something they hinted at when it opened. So it felt disappointing to me. Anyways, this is really just me wishing out loud.

Now one thing I will say is that with the Netflix and Freeform series like Cloak and Dagger and The Runaways being part of the MCU. There is hope that lesser known characters will make it into the MCU at some point. So I'll agree with you there. :)
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Oh I see what you mean. I think things like that can happen but yes end of the day this is about $$$ so there may not be a big push to get the lesser characters referenced in the parks unless it already has enough of a presence on its own, but its not impossible either. I do have a feeling though they are going to just focus on MCU characters at the beginning.
 
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PB Watermelon

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truecoat said:
I was thinking of something a little smaller and enclosed. This IP doesn't need the great outdoors for it's settings and as we see in the current artwork, office park is the look they would probably use.
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I get you now, you're talking about an actual "Marvel Land" park. I was thinking about an actual third Disneyland, and the only place I can see it being viable is South-Central Texas. Considering they don't have much room for a grand Marvel Land in California Adventure (not without tearing down substantial sections, which creates other issues -- "What's the Carthay Circle doing next to the Avengers building?"), and they can't use the characters in Orlando, a third Disneyland, located in Texas, free to develop "Marvel Land" as they see fit without these constraints would give the place a unique set of attractions (and scare the urine out of Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio...).
 
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DanielBB8

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Ant Man attraction revealed in Hong Kong Disneyland. Starting to look like a themed land instead of a mall arcade.
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DanielBB8

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PB Watermelon said:
I get you now, you're talking about an actual "Marvel Land" park. I was thinking about an actual third Disneyland, and the only place I can see it being viable is South-Central Texas. Considering they don't have much room for a grand Marvel Land in California Adventure (not without tearing down substantial sections, which creates other issues -- "What's the Carthay Circle doing next to the Avengers building?"), and they can't use the characters in Orlando, a third Disneyland, located in Texas, free to develop "Marvel Land" as they see fit without these constraints would give the place a unique set of attractions (and scare the urine out of Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio...).
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Disney could buy out SeaWorld and build into the existing San Antonio park instead of starting over. SeaWorld is pretty cheap although not as cheap as a few years ago.
 
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PB Watermelon

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DanielBB8 said:
Disney could buy out SeaWorld and build into the existing San Antonio park instead if starting over. SeaWorld is pretty cheap although not as cheap as a few years ago.
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Traffic on the 1604 -- already the worst slog of any city south of Austin -- would implode. There'd be riots. End of the World-type stuff. Dogs and Cats living together. Mass hysteria.
 
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PB Watermelon said:
Traffic on the 1604 -- already the worst slog of any city south of Austin -- would implode. There'd be riots. End of the World-type stuff. Dogs and Cats living together. Mass hysteria.
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Its funny, the rumors for the past couple of weeks, though some industry experts say its not likely to happen, is that Six Flags will buy SeaWorld. Not sure if Disney would even be interested, just seems like more trouble than its worth.
 
BrianLo

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TimeDuck said:
The reason for this is because the Sony Pictures/Marvel Studios agreement refers to Spider-Man and only Spider-Man. Not Spider-Man and his best friend, or his uncle, or his neighbor. Disney has the merchandising rights to Spider-Man. Everyone else has to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis, and let me tell you, they try and avoid this process at all costs. Case in point: The Vulture. Disney needs to be able to merchandise "Homecoming" in a way that it doesn't just look like generic Spider-Man merch. So they negotiate for one more character, and only one more character: The Vulture. They did the bare minimum they needed, and got out.

So in this theme park, you can expect to see Spider-Man. That's about it.
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I am very confused about what you are claiming here. I was under the impression the MCU does not have the ability to use a wide variety of characters from the Spiderman back catalogue. However, that has nothing to do with merchandising and the theme park rights. I thought Dis has the full ability out West to incorporate whatever they want into the theme park.

Now of course I totally agree, they won't include whatever. There is no desire on their behalf to market Venom for example in their theme parks when the film rights still side with Sony. But desire is different from what they are able to do.

The Theme park universe is technically its own canon from the cinematic universe. But, it's so similar and borrows so heavily that it is relatively indistinguishable. Akin to the Netflix shows in a sense, the flow is unidirectional.
 
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britain

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BrianLo said:
I am very confused about what you are claiming here. I was under the impression the MCU does not have the ability to use a wide variety of characters from the Spiderman back catalogue. However, that has nothing to do with merchandising and the theme park rights. I thought Dis has the full ability out West to incorporate whatever they want into the theme park.

Now of course I totally agree, they won't include whatever. There is no desire on their behalf to market Venom for example in their theme parks when the film rights still side with Sony. But desire is different from what they are able to do.

The Theme park universe is technically its own canon from the cinematic universe. But, it's so similar and borrows so heavily that it is relatively indistinguishable. Akin to the Netflix shows in a sense, the flow is unidirectional.
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Yes but if they want any of the Spider-Man properties in the park to resemble what you’re recently seeing in theaters, they’d have to go through Sony.
 
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DanielBB8

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Sony owns the copyright to its own Spiderman and Marvel creations unless it signs a new contract to allow Disney to use it in their theme parks. These licensing contracts pre-date Disney’s acquisition of Marvel. Since Sony also appears to be in the theme park business, I’m not so sure Sony will cooperate so willingly with a competitor. (“A Sony theme park in Albertville is a step closer”)

Disney’s new Marvel Spiderman movies sidestep Sony’s version. Only the new version is in Disney’s theme parks.

I do agree, my own opinion, that Disney should not be contractually prevented from using any other version of Spiderman or villains or other characters in its theme parks as long as it doesn’t violate the Universal agreement and any other licensing agreements with film studios. It most definitely is a mess and getting worse. Disney should just unwind these agreements by letting them lapse and stop entering into new ones.
 
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Disney Irish

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
Fair enough, but then you take the bajillions you have now and buy your ish back.
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Yeah again I agree, and in many ways Disney has with Fox. The problem is that you have to have a willing parties. Is Sony willing to sell back the rights (and at a price Disney is willing to pay), I don't know. But it seems to me, with no actual inside knowledge, they aren't willing to sell (or at least at a price Disney is willing to accept) as they want to ride on the coat tails of the MCU. It could be the same with Comcast and the Universal/Marvel contract, who knows.
 
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Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
Yeah again I agree, and in many ways Disney has with Fox. The problem is that you have to have a willing parties. Is Sony willing to sell back the rights (and at a price Disney is willing to pay), I don't know. But it seems to me, with no actual inside knowledge, they aren't willing to sell (or at least at a price Disney is willing to accept) as they want to ride on the coat tails of the MCU. It could be the same with Comcast and the Universal/Marvel contract, who knows.
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Doubt Sony will. They're already developing a sequel to Spiderverse and a spin-off with just various Spider Women.
 

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