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[CosmicDuck]

Ok, so educate me then since you insinuate you're more knowledgeable on the topic. I'm willing to learn if my assessment is incorrect.

Also the statement you quoted was my opinion on the subject, not fact. So it is a matter of opinion.

I actually deleted my original comment before you posted this because it's just not worth the time/effort to debate with you when you're arguments aren't based in any kind of logical reason. And like I said, the things you're speculating on have concrete answers and aren't up to your interpretation or opinion, it's harmful to the discussion when you spout them off like they are.

You're free to say whatever you want, don't let me stop you.

 

[Disney Irish]

I actually deleted my original comment before you posted this because it's just not worth the time/effort to debate with you when you're arguments aren't based in any kind of logical reason. And like I said, the things you're speculating on have concrete answers and aren't up to your interpretation or opinion, it's harmful to the discussion when you spout them off like they are.

You're free to say whatever you want, don't let me stop you.

So then let me ask you a question then, with regards to Spider-Man since that is the post you quoted.

What in the Sony/Marvel contract prevents Disney from using any other version of Spider-Man from the Marvel Universe within the Disney Parks? As far as I'm aware, and I could be incorrect, the Sony/Marvel contract only applies to the films not theme parks.

 

[RescueTheDay]

I agree with this 100%. The lack of enthusiasm for the Marvel brand is evident in every arm of Disney, especially in theme parks and consumer products. As a big fan of the property, it's been this way since they bought the brand.

The real problem is that Marvel Studios is only 10 years old. Nobody at WDI has a "nostalgia" for Marvel Studios, like they do for classic Disney or Star Wars, that made them want to go work at WDI. It's probably going to be another 10-15 years before you see the people who have been impacted by the MCU find footing in the major divisons of Disney and start pushing out passion projects. I'm sure the 20 year anniversary of the MCU is going to be a big deal at the company. Until then, I don't expect much.

Every arm? They seem to bring plenty of support with their films and merchandise.

 

[truecoat]

Because of weather, and other factors, the only place I can see Disney building a new Disneland Park in America would be Central-to-South Texas, and even then, the only place that would be a good fit would be San Antonio...problem is, San Antonio doesn't have an airport adequate for the job, and Disney ain't gonna pay for an airport. Seeing as how San Antonio recently told Amazon to go pound sand when they delivered their list of demands to the City, I don't see them in a big hurry to land Disneyland, Texas. Everything north of Waco is pretty much disqualified due to winter, to say nothing of tornadoes. Meanwhile, as we've seen recently, Houston is vulnerable to flooding. The only place that makes sense is South Central Texas, i.e. San Antonio, but S.A. doesn't have the infrastructure for it, and they're in no hurry to pay for it, even for something as transformational and prestigious as a third Disney Park in America.

I was thinking of something a little smaller and enclosed. This IP doesn't need the great outdoors for it's settings and as we see in the current artwork, office park is the look they would probably use.

 

[CosmicDuck]

Every arm? They seem to bring plenty of support with their films and merchandise.

Well Marvel Studios is film so I wasn't really counting that division, and I definitely disagree regarding merchandise. Specifically officially licensed/distributed merchandise. Going to the theme parks or the Disney stores, there's usually an embarrassingly small selection of Marvel merchandise. Even when big movies are coming out, you'll be hard pressed to find much of anything.

Stores like boxlunch and hot topic do a much better job of MCU merch, but that's because they license and design themselves. Everything coming out of the house of mouse is painfully generic.

 

[CosmicDuck]

So then let me ask you a question then, with regards to Spider-Man since that is the post you quoted.

What in the Sony/Marvel contract prevents Disney from using any other version of Spider-Man from the Marvel Universe within the Disney Parks? As far as I'm aware, and I could be incorrect, the Sony/Marvel contract only applies to the films not theme parks.

I'll answer this but it'll be my last post on this discussion. Google "Spider-Man Homecoming Disney Merchandise" and tell me how many products you find that have any characters that are not: Spider-Man, Vulture, or Iron Man.

The reason for this is because the Sony Pictures/Marvel Studios agreement refers to Spider-Man and only Spider-Man. Not Spider-Man and his best friend, or his uncle, or his neighbor. Disney has the merchandising rights to Spider-Man. Everyone else has to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis, and let me tell you, they try and avoid this process at all costs. Case in point: The Vulture. Disney needs to be able to merchandise "Homecoming" in a way that it doesn't just look like generic Spider-Man merch. So they negotiate for one more character, and only one more character: The Vulture. They did the bare minimum they needed, and got out.

So in this theme park, you can expect to see Spider-Man. That's about it.

 

[britain]

I'll answer this but it'll be my last post on this discussion. Google "Spider-Man Homecoming Disney Merchandise" and tell me how many products you find that have any characters that are not: Spider-Man, Vulture, or Iron Man.

The reason for this is because the Sony Pictures/Marvel Studios agreement refers to Spider-Man and only Spider-Man. Not Spider-Man and his best friend, or his uncle, or his neighbor. Disney has the merchandising rights to Spider-Man. Everyone else has to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis, and let me tell you, they try and avoid this process at all costs. Case in point: The Vulture. Disney needs to be able to merchandise "Homecoming" in a way that it doesn't just look like generic Spider-Man merch. So they negotiate for one more character, and only one more character: The Vulture. They did the bare minimum they needed, and got out.

So in this theme park, you can expect to see Spider-Man. That's about it.

Interesting, so in this new ride, you might see Spidey fight Doc Ock, but it would have to be a different/generic Doc Ock that doesn’t resemble the Sony films version?

Might be easier to have Spidey fight a villain from a completely different part of the MCU. Could Ultron come back?

 

[CosmicDuck]

Interesting, so in this new ride, you might see Spidey fight Doc Ock, but it would have to be a different/generic Doc Ock that doesn’t resemble the Sony films version?

Might be easier to have Spidey fight a villain from a completely different part of the MCU.

I wouldn't expect to see him fighting Doc Ock, or any of his villains. Expect a generic, faceless enemy like a bunch of "Iron Man" robots like in Age of Ultron. Or "Spider-Bots" or something. If for some reason a Spider-Man villain appears in the theme park, it'll be one directly from either Homecoming or Far From Home.

Keep in mind the theme park stuff is strictly MCU, not generic Marvel (thankfully). So anything you see in the theme parks, you'll already have seen on screen 99% of the time.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'll answer this but it'll be my last post on this discussion. Google "Spider-Man Homecoming Disney Merchandise" and tell me how many products you find that have any characters that are not: Spider-Man, Vulture, or Iron Man.

The reason for this is because the Sony Pictures/Marvel Studios agreement refers to Spider-Man and only Spider-Man. Not Spider-Man and his best friend, or his uncle, or his neighbor. Disney has the merchandising rights to Spider-Man. Everyone else has to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis, and let me tell you, they try and avoid this process at all costs. Case in point: The Vulture. Disney needs to be able to merchandise "Homecoming" in a way that it doesn't just look like generic Spider-Man merch. So they negotiate for one more character, and only one more character: The Vulture. They did the bare minimum they needed, and got out.

So in this theme park, you can expect to see Spider-Man. That's about it.

Ok, and all that I agree with as that was already my understanding of the Sony Spider-Man Extended Universe they were building. But my post was not about the associated Spider-Man family of characters, but rather Spider-Man himself. Or more specifically the different versions of Spider-Man within the Marvel Universe such as Spider-Ham. Since those are all variations of the same character, Spider-Man, which is covered by the agreement.

So I'm not sure what you're having an issue with.

 

[CosmicDuck]

Ok, and all that I agree with as that was already my understanding of the Sony Spider-Man Extended Universe they were building. But my post was not about the associated Spider-Man family of characters, but rather Spider-Man himself. Or more specifically the different versions of Spider-Man within the Marvel Universe such as Spider-Ham. Since those are all variations of the same character, Spider-Man, which is covered by the agreement.

So I'm not sure what you're having an issue with.

.......sigh.

I know, in your head, you think it makes sense that "Spider-Ham" and "Spider-Man Noir" or whatever 99 versions of Spider-Man that exist are all "variations of the same character" and "should be covered by the agreement".That is not how it works in the very real world of corporations and intellectual property.

Here's a simple test you can perform for yourself in the future:

Is the character named Spider-Man?
Do I recognize him from any of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies?
Does he sound like Tom Holland?

If at any time you answer "no" to those questions, then rest assured he will not be appearing in a theme park near you.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Interesting, so in this new ride, you might see Spidey fight Doc Ock, but it would have to be a different/generic Doc Ock that doesn’t resemble the Sony films version?

Might be easier to have Spidey fight a villain from a completely different part of the MCU. Could Ultron come back?

Isn't the Raimi Doc Oc not part of the MCU? So we shouldn't expect to see that depiction of the character for that reason alone?

 

[Disney Irish]

.......sigh.

I know, in your head, you think it makes sense that "Spider-Ham" and "Spider-Man Noir" or whatever 99 versions of Spider-Man that exist are all "variations of the same character" and "should be covered by the agreement".That is not how it works in the very real world of corporations and intellectual property.

Here's a simple test you can perform for yourself in the future:

Is the character named Spider-Man?
Do I recognize him from any of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies?
Does he sound like Tom Holland?

If at any time you answer "no" to those questions, then rest assured he will not be appearing in a theme park near you.

Ok, not a problem. I see where you're coming from. Again it was an opinion of mine, or more like a wish. Never said it was fact or meant it to come across as something factual that will happen. So no need to get exasperated over it. Its only a fan forum, its suppose to be fun.

Do you have a reference I can read up on so I can be more informed about this? I'm asking because I'm really curious on how its broken down. As I said I already am aware of the "family" aspect limiting what specific characters can appear in the MCU. But I wasn't aware that it applied to all versions of Spider-Man as well. As I said in the post you originally quoted, I'm not well versed on the Sony/Marvel contract. So if you have something that can better inform me I'll be very happy and appreciative.

 

[CosmicDuck]

Isn't the Raimi Doc Oc not part of the MCU? So we shouldn't expect to see that depiction of the character for that reason alone?

No, Marvel Cinematic Universe are only films produced by Marvel Studios, starting with Iron Man in 2008. Sam Raimi's film was not a part of this, and you will not see that depiction of the character, or likely any depiction.

The only Spider-Man film that exists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is "Spider-Man: Homecoming".

 

[SuddenStorm]

No, Marvel Cinematic Universe are only films produced by Marvel Studios, starting with Iron Man in 2008. Sam Raimi's film was not a part of this, and you will not see that depiction of the character, or likely any depiction.

The only Spider-Man film that exists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is "Spider-Man: Homecoming".

I knew this, but since some labor under the notion that any version of Spider Man is fair game, I wanted to make sure.

 

[CosmicDuck]

Ok, not a problem. I see where you're coming from. Again it was an opinion of mine, or more like a wish. Never said it was fact or meant it to come across as something factual that will happen. So no need to get exasperated over it. Its only a fan forum, its suppose to be fun.

Do you have a reference I can read up on so I can be more informed about this? I'm asking because I'm really curious on how its broken down. As I said I already am aware of the "family" aspect limiting what specific characters can appear in the MCU. But I wasn't aware that it applied to all versions of Spider-Man as well. As I said in the post you originally quoted, I'm not well versed on the Sony/Marvel contract. So if you have something that can better inform me I'll be very happy and appreciative.

I have zero issues with people expressing their opinions, but like I said you state things like they are fact. There's a big difference.

Here's an example of stating something like a fact:
"Since those are all variations of the same character, Spider-Man, which is covered by the agreement."

Here's how that can be stated as an opinion:
"I think Spider-Ham is technically just a variation on Spider-Man, so he should be eligible to appear in the park? I'm not sure what's covered by the agreement"

There's a big difference between the two. And 99% of the people here make that distinction, but like I've said your posts come off as you stating facts and not your opinions. If you're not sure about something, then phrase it in a way where people won't mistake it for you delivering information.

No, I don't have any resources for you unfortunately.

 

[Disney Irish]

I have zero issues with people expressing their opinions, but like I said you state things like they are fact. There's a big difference.

Here's an example of stating something like a fact:
"Since those are all variations of the same character, Spider-Man, which is covered by the agreement."

Here's how that can be stated as an opinion:
"I think Spider-Ham is technically just a variation on Spider-Man, so he should be eligible to appear in the park? I'm not sure what's covered by the agreement"

There's a big difference between the two. And 99% of the people here make that distinction, but like I've said your posts come off as you stating facts and not your opinions. If you're not sure about something, then phrase it in a way where people won't mistake it for you delivering information.

No, I don't have any resources for you unfortunately.

Thank you, I will take it under advisement.

So if there is no resource available, do you have some inside knowledge of the actual contract with Sony/Marvel?

 

[CosmicDuck]

Thank you, I will take it under advisement.

So if there is no resource available, do you have some inside knowledge of the actual contract with Sony/Marvel?

I'll just leave this quote from the last time we had a discussion that you must have missed:

"Without divulging too much I'm in somewhat of a position to have a pretty good understanding of this situation and I'm 96% confident what I've stated is correct..."

 

[Disney Irish]

I'll just leave this quote from the last time we had a discussion that you must have missed:

"Without divulging too much I'm in somewhat of a position to have a pretty good understanding of this situation and I'm 96% confident what I've stated is correct..."

Thank you. I really do appreciate your insight into this topic. But with all due respect I hope that your interpretation and assessment of the situation is incorrect. I'd personally like to see the Disney Parks Marvel experience expand beyond the MCU as time goes on. As the Marvel Universe is so much larger than what is currently in the MCU.

Anyways for what its worth its been fun chatting with you on this.

 

[CosmicDuck]

Thank you. I really do appreciate your insight into this topic. But with all due respect I hope that your interpretation and assessment of the situation is incorrect. I'd personally like to see the Disney Parks Marvel experience expand beyond the MCU as time goes on. As the Marvel Universe is so much larger than what is currently in the MCU.

Anyways for what its worth its been fun chatting with you on this.

No problem. I'm a fan of the MCU first and foremost so I hope that everything I complain about is incorrect on some level.

 

[Disney Irish]

No problem. I'm a fan of the MCU first and foremost so I hope that everything I complain about is incorrect on some level.

I'm a big fan of the MCU. My opinion is while its a good jumping off point as a way to introduce characters and stories into the parks. It also limits them to only using the handful of characters that are currently available. Whereas if you expand to outside the movies they have as you know thousands of characters they could use. So as a parks fan and a fan of Marvel I'm hope for more than just the MCU.

But I will not be disappointed if they stick to just the MCU.