Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews

[J4546]

A tron style canopy reaching out over the headquarters and partialy covering the center of AC would be pretty awsome (and provide shade) along with the coaster running along it, but I want a ride thats longer than 1 minute.

 

[D.Silentu]

Pardon, but isn’t the current rumor a multiverse themed variation on Tokyo’s upcoming Peter Pan ride system?

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Yeah, where you meet KING THANOS!!!!!

I will never not laugh at the silence that met that statement during their presentation.

 

[D.Silentu]

Well, he has a cool beard and a crown after all!

 

[Disney Irish]

With the massive failure of Secret Invasion, 3 of the last 20 official MCU projects now have rotten scores on RT. That's 3 more than the first 22 MCU projects up to and including Endgame. So the question, is the MCU on the decline? The answer is clearly yes, proving once again that Avengers Campus was a massive mistake.

If I said a player struck out 3 out of their last 20 at bats, their batting average would still be .850 for those 20 at bats, higher than the entire MLB. No one would be saying that player is in decline, maybe have a "slump", but not in decline.

And lets put this into perspective, of those 3 you're talking about (Secret Invasion, Quantumania, She-Hulk, and I'll even add in Eternals for you) , 2 are D+ shows (which have been hit or miss with the audience) and 2 are movies which actually have positive audience scores. In fact ALL the movies, including Eternals and Quantumania, have a positive audience score.

So the question on if the MCU is on decline depends on your personal feeling toward the MCU in general. From the general audience perspective outside of a couple D+ shows they all are pretty well received, and thus not in decline. Its going to take a lot more "misses" before there is a real indication of the overall decline in the MCU. Lucky for you there is another movie around the corner to test this theory with The Marvels. If its also well received by the audience, well then the answer is clear the MCU isn't in decline from an audience satisfaction stand point.

As for Avengers Campus, it has its appeal given the entire character interaction with guests. Personally while I enjoy the atmosphere its a bit meh given there is only Web Slingers and Mission Breakout, this is even as a huge Marvel fan. Once, hopefully it's still coming, the Avengers attraction is built it'll become more appealing to the general park goer that is less into Marvel since there will be more to do.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If I said a player struck out 3 out of their last 20 at bats, their batting average would still be .850 for those 20 at bats, higher than the entire MLB. No one would be saying that player is in decline, maybe have a "slump", but not in decline.

Which is a better track record than almost any other studio except Pixar.

DC couldn't even get near a .250 average.

Most movies by most studios fail to make a profit in the theatrical window (including Walt Disney Studios [the live-action studio]).

Studios stay in business because of the profits of some of their big tentpoles (*some* -- some do flop) and the post-theatrical markets (digital, PPV, discs, premium cable, broadcast, streaming).

 

[Mike S]

If I said a player struck out 3 out of their last 20 at bats, their batting average would still be .850 for those 20 at bats, higher than the entire MLB. No one would be saying that player is in decline, maybe have a "slump", but not in decline.

And lets put this into perspective, of those 3 you're talking about (Secret Invasion, Quantumania, She-Hulk, and I'll even add in Eternals for you) , 2 are D+ shows (which have been hit or miss with the audience) and 2 are movies which actually have positive audience scores. In fact ALL the movies, including Eternals and Quantumania, have a positive audience score.

So the question on if the MCU is on decline depends on your personal feeling toward the MCU in general. From the general audience perspective outside of a couple D+ shows they all are pretty well received, and thus not in decline. Its going to take a lot more "misses" before there is a real indication of the overall decline in the MCU. Lucky for you there is another movie around the corner to test this theory with The Marvels. If its also well received by the audience, well then the answer is clear the MCU isn't in decline from an audience satisfaction stand point.

As for Avengers Campus, it has its appeal given the entire character interaction with guests. Personally while I enjoy the atmosphere its a bit meh given there is only Web Slingers and Mission Breakout, this is even as a huge Marvel fan. Once, hopefully it's still coming, the Avengers attraction is built it'll become more appealing to the general park goer that is less into Marvel since there will be more to do.

Quantamania may have a positive audience score, but it bombed financially. That speaks even louder. I don’t see The Marvels working out either.

 

[Consumer]

If I said a player struck out 3 out of their last 20 at bats, their batting average would still be .850 for those 20 at bats, higher than the entire MLB. No one would be saying that player is in decline, maybe have a "slump", but not in decline.

And lets put this into perspective, of those 3 you're talking about (Secret Invasion, Quantumania, She-Hulk, and I'll even add in Eternals for you) , 2 are D+ shows (which have been hit or miss with the audience) and 2 are movies which actually have positive audience scores. In fact ALL the movies, including Eternals and Quantumania, have a positive audience score.

So the question on if the MCU is on decline depends on your personal feeling toward the MCU in general. From the general audience perspective outside of a couple D+ shows they all are pretty well received, and thus not in decline. Its going to take a lot more "misses" before there is a real indication of the overall decline in the MCU. Lucky for you there is another movie around the corner to test this theory with The Marvels. If its also well received by the audience, well then the answer is clear the MCU isn't in decline from an audience satisfaction stand point.

This isn't baseball, it's the film industry.

Whether they're movies or D+ shows, they effect the audience's perception of the brand. While I've gone ahead and used RT to make my point, I don't believe it's the most reliable metric. For those unaware, the way the Tomatometer works is if every critic rates one movie 6.5/10, and then every critic rates another movie 10/10, both movies have 100% on RT. Does that mean both movies are equal in quality? Of course not. Unfortunately, I don't believe RT offers an average score feature on their website, but if it did I'm confident Dr. Strange 2 and Thor 4 both would be have lower average scores than their predecessors.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The MCU really hasn’t been the same since Endgame. It can’t be denied that it’s not what it once was at the moment.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I've lost all interest in Marvel years ago. It's too bad. There was so much potential.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I've lost all interest in Marvel years ago. It's too bad. There was so much potential.

I’m almost at that point. I’m tired of superhero content in general, honestly. Years ago, superhero films were released every couple of years, it seemed. Now they’re getting pumped out every year, sometimes multiple films per year. I need a break. Kinda over it.

 

[J4546]

superhero fatigue is real imo. Now theres 5+ major superhero movies every year and I am also just not into them as much as I was. I do still like AC though and look forward to the 2nd phase attraction

 

[DrAlice]

I’m almost at that point. I’m tired of superhero content in general, honestly. Years ago, superhero films were released every couple of years, it seemed. Now they’re getting pumped out every year, sometimes multiple films per year. I need a break. Kinda over it.

I've felt that way for a long time. At some point (very early on, for me), I missed a couple of movies and then it was just too overwhelming to get caught up. It's even worse now.

I'm probably the only person on the planet to get stressed out about "catching up" on a film series. hahaha

 

[Californian Elitist]

I've felt that way for a long time. At some point (very early on, for me), I missed a couple of movies and then it was just too overwhelming to get caught up. It's even worse now.

I'm probably the only person on the planet to get stressed out about "catching up" on a film series. hahaha

Right? And the thing is, I don’t care about catching up. Whatever I miss, I miss lol. There are at least five or more Marvel films I haven’t seen and I haven’t been watching the shows either (I am looking forward to season 2 of Loki, though). It is overwhelming.

I’m just going to finish the last season of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel on Amazon lol.

 

[Consumer]

Right? And the thing is, I don’t care about catching up. Whatever I miss, I miss lol. There are at least five or more Marvel films I haven’t seen and I haven’t been watching the shows either (I am looking forward to season 2 of Loki, though). It is overwhelming.

I’m just going to finish the last season of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel on Amazon lol.

Prior to Endgame, I had seen every MCU film except for Hulk. Since Endgame, I've only seen Dr Strange 2, Spider-Man movies, and the most of D+ shows except for Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and Secret Invasion. I hear Guardians 3 is good so maybe I'll check that out now that it's streaming. I really have no interest in catching up on Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, or Thor 4, and I probably won't watch The Marvels.

When I talk about Marvel's popularity trending down, it's not because I have a vendetta against Marvel, it's because that's what I've observed in myself, those I know, and in online discourse. Before Infinity War, I predicted people would lose interest in the MCU after Endgame and I've only seen evidence that's proven that correct.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The MCU is starting to feel like a TV series that was extended beyond its intended story due to popularity, the first few seasons had a very clear story dealing with the main characters, by season 4 it’s clear they’ve finished the original intended story and are struggling just to put something on the screen that kind of fits with the original story, by season 6 the only connection to the original story is the name.

I still enjoy the MCU but it doesn’t feel connected to the originals in any way anymore, I just watched Guardians 3 this morning and despite them being the same characters it doesn’t feel connected to the previous movies in any way. Still good, but feels like a standalone movie rather than part of a larger cinematic universe. The last Thor and the last AntMan felt the same, good but not connected like the others.

 

[Disney Irish]

This isn't baseball, it's the film industry.

Whether they're movies or D+ shows, they effect the audience's perception of the brand. While I've gone ahead and used RT to make my point, I don't believe it's the most reliable metric. For those unaware, the way the Tomatometer works is if every critic rates one movie 6.5/10, and then every critic rates another movie 10/10, both movies have 100% on RT. Does that mean both movies are equal in quality? Of course not. Unfortunately, I don't believe RT offers an average score feature on their website, but if it did I'm confident Dr. Strange 2 and Thor 4 both would be have lower average scores than their predecessors.

I'm sorry but where did you get this idea of how the RT score is formulated?

Also you can look at Cinemascore and some others which give averages to tell how the audience is actually liking the movies versus critics all of which still show the MCU as being positive among audiences.

 

[Disney Irish]

Quantamania may have a positive audience score, but it bombed financially. That speaks even louder. I don’t see The Marvels working out either.

I'm not disputing the box office for Quantumania, but that doesn't happen in a vacuum as some of us have been talking about over in the movie forum. What I was disputing was the statement about the RT score which the poster was claiming has been negative for 3 out of the last 20 MCU offerings which isn't true when looking at how the audience reacted to them.

As for The Marvels, we'll see what happens with that in November. Maybe it fairs better at the box office, maybe it doesn't.

 

[Consumer]

I'm sorry but where did you get this idea of how the RT score is formulated?

Also you can look at Cinemascore and some others which give averages to tell how the audience is actually liking the movies versus critics all of which still show the MCU as being positive among audiences.

From the Rotten Tomatoes website. RT scores an aggregate of reviews, not a score of the quality of the movie itself.

I'm not disputing the box office for Quantumania, but that doesn't happen in a vacuum as some of us have been talking about over in the movie forum. What I was disputing was the statement about the RT score which the poster was claiming has been negative for 3 out of the last 20 MCU offerings which isn't true when looking at how the audience reacted to them.

As for The Marvels, we'll see what happens with that in November. Maybe it fairs better at the box office, maybe it doesn't.

I was looking at official critic reviews. The projects I was looking at specifically were The Eternals (47% critic, 77% audience), Quantumania (46%, 82%), and Secret Invasion (55%, 53%).

Generally speaking, I really don't care about audience scores on websites. Not only can they be easily manipulated, but these scores only take in the opinions of the kinds of people who spend their time inputting their reviews, which is not your average moviegoer.

Now you can say, Cinemascore interviews the average moviegoer, but unfortunately even that's skewed as the polling takes place immediately after audiences walk out of the theater on opening night, so not only are you getting opinions that have yet to be digested from people who are still living off the high of going out to the movies, you are getting the opinions of people who had some sort of bias as they wanted to see the movie opening night. As a result, Cinemascore ratings tend to skew positive.

To demonstrate both points, let's look at Disney's latest bomb, Haunted Mansion (2023). The RT critic score is 40%, meaning only 40% of the 184 reviews posted gave it a, at minimum, mildly positive review. On the other hand, the audience score shows that of the over 1,000 people who put in their reviews, 83% gave it a positive review. On Cinemascore, the movie earned a B+ rating, which most of us would think is good. All of this should say that the Haunted Mansion is a success and people want more of it. However, despite these statistics from the audience, the movie only made $24,082,475 on its opening weekend. That is less than the Eddie Murphy version of The Haunted Mansion made on its opening weekend 20 years ago.

All in all, audience scores on website are a metric. The only true way to understand the cultural zeitgeist (other than ticket sales, which can't be found with streaming) is to have human interactions and conversations. From my anecdotal findings, the MCU is trending downwards in popularity and I think the posts of others here are backing that up. I liked the MCU, so did many of my friends, but a lot of them have stopped caring after Endgame.

 

[Disney Irish]

From the Rotten Tomatoes website. RT scores an aggregate of reviews, not a score of the quality of the movie itself.
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But no where does that say what you claim is happening:

"For those unaware, the way the Tomatometer works is if every critic rates one movie 6.5/10, and then every critic rates another movie 10/10, both movies have 100% on RT."

There is no raising of scores of one movie based on the rating of another. That is just flat wrong.

I was looking at official critic reviews. The projects I was looking at specifically were The Eternals (47% critic, 77% audience), Quantumania (46%, 82%), and Secret Invasion (55%, 53%).

Generally speaking, I really don't care about audience scores on websites. Not only can they be easily manipulated, but these scores only take in the opinions of the kinds of people who spend their time inputting their reviews, which is not your average moviegoer.

Now you can say, Cinemascore interviews the average moviegoer, but unfortunately even that's skewed as the polling takes place immediately after audiences walk out of the theater on opening night, so not only are you getting opinions that have yet to be digested from people who are still living off the high of going out to the movies, you are getting the opinions of people who had some sort of bias as they wanted to see the movie opening night. As a result, Cinemascore ratings tend to skew positive.

To demonstrate both points, let's look at Disney's latest bomb, Haunted Mansion (2023). The RT critic score is 40%, meaning only 40% of the 184 reviews posted gave it a, at minimum, mildly positive review. On the other hand, the audience score shows that of the over 1,000 people who put in their reviews, 83% gave it a positive review. On Cinemascore, the movie earned a B+ rating, which most of us would think is good. All of this should say that the Haunted Mansion is a success and people want more of it. However, despite these statistics from the audience, the movie only made $24,082,475 on its opening weekend. That is less than the Eddie Murphy version of The Haunted Mansion made on its opening weekend 20 years ago.

All in all, audience scores on website are a metric. The only true way to understand the cultural zeitgeist (other than ticket sales, which can't be found with streaming) is to have human interactions and conversations. From my anecdotal findings, the MCU is trending downwards in popularity and I think the posts of others here are backing that up. I liked the MCU, so did many of my friends, but a lot of them have stopped caring after Endgame.

And from my anecdotal findings of polling all my friends and acquiescence the MCU is doing just fine as everyone I talk to is up for everything the MCU has.

This is why you can't just go based on anecdotal findings, as they will always be skewed toward those we agree with.