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MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Consumer said:
On Cinemascore, the movie earned a B+ rating,
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B+ is *not* a good score.

Other movies with a B+...
John Carter​
Prom​
Oz the Great and Powerful​
Dial of Destiny​
Shazam! Fury of the Gods​
Black Adam​
Wonder Woman 1984​
Thor 1​
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The CinemaScore can be skewed for genre movies, because people who love that genre (RomCom, Superhero, Horror, etc...) are usually happy to be fed their favorite genre. That's why it's a shock when a genre film (Disney family fun-horror) doesn't get an A- or better.

Audiences can also be confused. Nightmare Before Christmas got a poor CinemaScore of B+ on its opening weekend, but then the general population caught on to it.

Also, I never throw out the RT Tomatometer score without the critics' rating (from RT and Metacritic) because of the simplistic thumbs up/down of the Tomatometer.

No one metric by itself is useful. There are good movies that just don't turn a profit. Everyone in the movie forums who wail "big Box Office, yeah, but it didn't turn a profit because of the huge budget" are pretty much arguing that it was a good movie, albeit with an overblown budget. And awful movies can turn an profit (especially if made very frugally).

I'm sure we all have movies we loved but critics hated, and vice versa.

The scores and metrics tell a story, but only a partial one. But it does head off proclamations of opinions such as "It did poorly" presented as fact when all the stats show it didn't (or vice versa).
 
Consumer

Consumer

Well-Known Member
Disney Irish said:
But no where does that say what you claim is happening:

"For those unaware, the way the Tomatometer works is if every critic rates one movie 6.5/10, and then every critic rates another movie 10/10, both movies have 100% on RT."

There is no raising of scores of one movie based on the rating of another. That is just flat wrong.
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Huh? If 100% of critics give movie A 6.5/10, and 100% of critics give movie B 10/10, both movies have 100% ratings despite wildly different reactions.
MisterPenguin said:
B+ is *not* a good score.

Other movies with a B+...
John Carter​
Prom​
Oz the Great and Powerful​
Dial of Destiny​
Shazam! Fury of the Gods​
Black Adam​
Wonder Woman 1984​
Thor 1​
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Precisely my point. A B+, on paper, sounds like a good grade, but on Cineamscore it's a low grade.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Disney Irish said:
But no where does that say what you claim is happening:

"For those unaware, the way the Tomatometer works is if every critic rates one movie 6.5/10, and then every critic rates another movie 10/10, both movies have 100% on RT."

There is no raising of scores of one movie based on the rating of another. That is just flat wrong.
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Sorry, but you're confusing the Tomatometer with the Critic's Rating.

If a critic rates a movie 60% or better that counts a a 'fresh' on the Tomatometer.

So Critic A gives Movie X a 60%. That's Fresh.
Critic B gives Movie X a 100%. That's Fresh.

The Fresh score is 100%.

The critics' rating score is 80%.

Look at Spider-Man Far From Home...

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Critic's rating average to 74%.

But 90% of critics gave it a 60% or better, so a RT Tomatometer score of 90% Fresh.
 
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Disney Vault

Active Member
I think marvel needs to go back to individual storylines for different characters. It's too much to tie it all together. It's why I like Shang chi. It was it's own story and you didn't have to see any other marvel movie to know what was going on. Even though I know they will be linking it into the other movies soon. And then I will lose interest
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
MisterPenguin said:
Sorry, but you're confusing the Tomatometer with the Critic's Rating.

If a critic rates a movie 60% or better that counts a a 'fresh' on the Tomatometer.

So Critic A gives Movie X a 60%. That's Fresh.
Critic B gives Movie X a 100%. That's Fresh.

The Fresh score is 100%.

The critics' rating score is 80%.

Look at Spider-Man Far From Home...

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Critic's rating average to 74%.

But 90% of critics gave it a 60% or better, so a RT Tomatometer score of 90% Fresh.
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I understand how it works, but wasn't understanding the way the poster was describing it. As it reads as though the poster was saying ratings from one movie was affecting another movie which isn't the case.

So just a misunderstanding.
 
Nirya

Nirya

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It probably doesn't help that people are conflating an industry-wide drop in box office with the MCU in particular. Movie franchises across the board are underperforming relative to what they did before COVID, and even four years out the movie industry has not adjusted to the new reality that less and less people are going to the theaters and are instead waiting for streaming because people realized they enjoyed watching movies in the comfort of their own home instead of surrounded by strangers. The past year is riddled with box office bombs in the traditional sense, though studios project they will make money back once the films are streaming.

That said...I do also think there is superhero fatigue, and this is a Disney-specific problem in that they are pumping out content too fast. Early MCU worked because you only had 1-2 movies a year, which left characters time to sit on the sidelines while audiences could grow to miss them. Now there are 3-4 movies a year, to go with multiple D+ shows, creating a content tsunami that is too much for the average viewer, especially as characters appear in multiple movies. Just consider the Guardians, one of the most beloved groups in the entire MCU: since June of 2022 they've appeared in two movies (starring in their own) and a D+ special, to say nothing of Groot also having a small series as well. And the large amount of content is similarly drawing the world too thin, creating situations like Secret Invasion where the story becomes weak thanks to having to serve too many masters and not having enough development time. If Disney simply throttled the Marvel hose more, they'd likely see better box office results and critical response, but that's capitalism baby.
 
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TheDisneyParksfanC8

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Tom Bricker of the Disney Tourist Blog had a recent article about timelines for upcoming attractions to the Disney Parks. In this article, Brickler now thinks the Multiverse E ticket is dead. in addition to mentioning the fact the ride has been mentioned zero times by Iger or D'Amaro since Chapek got the boot, the biggest giveaway to why this ride is no longer happening stems from the fact Iger keeps talking about this Avatar experience coming to DLR but not a previously announced ride based on Disney's biggest cash cow (the MCU) that already has a expansion spot ready for it.

Considering the ample space in the plot of land behind AC, some sort of E ticket will have to be going in there eventually. I wonder what direction Disney will go in now for an Avengers E ticket.
 
Suspirian

Suspirian

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TheDisneyParksfanC8 said:
Tom Bricker of the Disney Tourist Blog had a recent article about timelines for upcoming attractions to the Disney Parks. In this article, Brickler now thinks the Multiverse E ticket is dead. in addition to mentioning the fact the ride has been mentioned zero times by Iger or D'Amaro since Chapek got the boot, the biggest giveaway to why this ride is no longer happening stems from the fact Iger keeps talking about this Avatar experience coming to DLR but not a previously announced ride based on Disney's biggest cash cow (the MCU) that already has a expansion spot ready for it.

Considering the ample space in the plot of land behind AC, some sort of E ticket will have to be going in there eventually. I wonder what direction Disney will go in now for an Avengers E ticket.
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I swear they have blinders on when it comes to IPs in the park. Why switch gears to Avatar when Marvel isn’t done and a slew of relevant WDA properties still don't have attractions in the park. It’s like dangling a treat in front of a dog surrounded by steaks I’m not advocating for IP but if they're so obsessed with it they sure are dragging their feet.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
TheDisneyParksfanC8 said:
Tom Bricker of the Disney Tourist Blog had a recent article about timelines for upcoming attractions to the Disney Parks. In this article, Brickler now thinks the Multiverse E ticket is dead. in addition to mentioning the fact the ride has been mentioned zero times by Iger or D'Amaro since Chapek got the boot, the biggest giveaway to why this ride is no longer happening stems from the fact Iger keeps talking about this Avatar experience coming to DLR but not a previously announced ride based on Disney's biggest cash cow (the MCU) that already has a expansion spot ready for it.

Considering the ample space in the plot of land behind AC, some sort of E ticket will have to be going in there eventually. I wonder what direction Disney will go in now for an Avengers E ticket.
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I think the only reason why Avatar has been mentioned is because of how successful Way of Water did in theaters.

We'll see if D'Amaro bring up Avengers E Ticket at Destination D23 next month.
 
D.Silentu

D.Silentu

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The last acknowledgement of the Avengers Ride was at a Disneyland Forward presentation back in May. I'm not sure it's worth writing off just yet, but really, who knows? All the talk about an Avatar attraction doesn't really weigh much in this conversation though. Naturally they are going to crow about it because the movie was the biggest success they've had recently and it's tempting to report on because the news is fresher.
 
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TheDisneyParksfanC8

Well-Known Member
D.Silentu said:
The last acknowledgement of the Avengers Ride was at a Disneyland Forward presentation back in May. I'm not sure it's worth writing off just yet, but really, who knows? All the talk about an Avatar attraction doesn't really weigh much in this conversation though. Naturally they are going to crow about it because the movie was the biggest success they've had recently and it's tempting to report on because the news is fresher.
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With that Avengers store in Hollywoodland closing in September for that new Avengers store in the Avengers HQ building, I am going to hedge a bet that soundstage could very well be in running for the Avatar experience.
 

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