Disney Irish
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Nope again he knows the Winter Solider will always be with him, always a part of him. That is the reason why he said this about having nightmares (PTSD) to Sam about what he did:
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Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Ok he said part not all. he is no longer the winter soldier. just buckey.
Disney Irish
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You're missing the whole point, its not that he is ONLY The Winter Solider, its that he is Bucky AND the Winter Soldier. Its part of him, and always will be. He can draw upon that side of himself anytime he wants now, but is not defined by it, just like he did in Madripoor. It never leaves him.
So in the regard because its always inside him, and always part of him, he will always still be the Winter Solider. I'm sorry, while I respect your point of view, you're incorrect on this point. Sam is Captain America, and Bucky is the Winter Soldier.
thats cool, i think people had way too high expectations for phase 1 of the land. we knew spiderman was gonna me a small darkride because theres simply not enough space for a major ride besides the expansion zone. what they did in what little space they had I think is pretty good,. I really think the live action aspect of this land is what sets it apart from others. All the avengers coming out and walking around, and theres like 5 shows in the little bit of space this land takes up and they all look pretty good imo. I also like the lighting at night, the way the entrance pavement glows, dr strange area is beautiful...really good nighttime atmosphere.
TwilightZone
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I feel a bunch of teens and young adults are gonna buy these. Especially if they are into cosplay and/or tiktok. They defiantly have that appeal as someone who isn't even involved in either.
Californian Elitist
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And that’s fine if you think it looks great. Some of us believe Disney could have done MUCH better. That’s all. It doesn’t mean we’re bitter or miserable or somehow dislike Disneyland (you didn’t insinuate that, but others have). We just want more effort from Disney.
Poseidon Quest
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You think people's expectations were too high to expect something better than a Six Flags level attraction in a Disney park? I agree though, that the live action aspect does set it apart from the others. I too would pay Disney prices to see sleight-of-hand magic tricks for birthday party magicians in a Disney park.
waltography
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Just came back from Avengers Campus! Here are my thoughts:
I don't know if it was the fact that our boarding group situation couldn't have gone any better, or I came in with rock bottom expectations, or it's a recency bias, but I had a really awesome time inside Avengers Campus. My party and I spent our first four hours inside the land, and it really couldn't have been any smoother: we got our BG at 7, got to the parking structure at 7:40, into the park by 8:20, and in Web Slingers' queue by 8:30.
Web Slingers is a cute, inoffensive ride that works given the limited real estate it occupies. It's fine, not amazing, and certainly not worth the stress over getting a BG. I did enjoy it because I'm a CS guy who's amazed at the motion tracking tech behind it; the UX design of the on-ride system is pretty nice too (on the screen in front of you prior to shooting webs, you can see the splines that map to your hands as a way to check if you're being tracked properly). The latency is minimal; it's super responsive.
Things I didn't mind but you might: It is an arm workout (whether that's good or bad depends on you). It definitely skews on the younger side with the cheerful AI, STEM bent. The physical mapping of Avengers Campus in this ride is utter doodoo—somehow you can U-turn into an alley and you're behind the Test Kitchen, and then another U-turn and you're by the exit.
We were super early in the land, so Pym Test Kitchen was still serving breakfast. We waited in standby because of the new rolling system they had for mobile order (to avoid a repeat of opening day, they open return windows in like 3 hour blocks). I got the Calculated Breakfast, and my sibling got the Impossible version. Both were good! I liked the focaccia, tater tots, and Impossible sausage.
Also got to try a few of the cocktails at the Pym Tasting Lab. The Particle Fizz (hard seltzer, cherry popping boba) was meh; somehow tasted even less fruit than a La Croix, and it was supposed to be POG-flavored! The Honey Buzz was delicious; like a sweet Moscow mule. Definitely will get one again.
The land would be absolutely nothing without the character interactions though, for sure. In the span of the few hours we were in the land, we saw the Spiderman stuntronic, a training session led by Okoye, and a Black Widow/Black Panther vs. Taskmaster stunt show; all of them (with the exception of Okoye) also held meet and greets. There was no schedule; it all happened relatively spontaneously (though you could predict that something would happen when there was an influx of cast members doing crowd flow).
The land is punching up much higher than the ride, restaurant, and shop will have you believe. You can almost delude yourself into the CAMPUS backstory as a call-to-action for superheroes because everyone's here and ready to party in the land. Take away the shows, and you're left with what Galaxy's Edge is now except with worse infrastructure.
TL;DR the ride is fine, the food is good, the character experiences make the land.
(Unrelated, but we rode Guardians twice with no wait because it was restricted to the land, so another plus in our experience!)
EDIT: Also just remembered! We tried the Pingo Doce and didn't like it. It's essentially Vanilla Mountain Dew and it's a strange taste.
I don't know if it was the fact that our boarding group situation couldn't have gone any better, or I came in with rock bottom expectations, or it's a recency bias, but I had a really awesome time inside Avengers Campus. My party and I spent our first four hours inside the land, and it really couldn't have been any smoother: we got our BG at 7, got to the parking structure at 7:40, into the park by 8:20, and in Web Slingers' queue by 8:30.
Web Slingers is a cute, inoffensive ride that works given the limited real estate it occupies. It's fine, not amazing, and certainly not worth the stress over getting a BG. I did enjoy it because I'm a CS guy who's amazed at the motion tracking tech behind it; the UX design of the on-ride system is pretty nice too (on the screen in front of you prior to shooting webs, you can see the splines that map to your hands as a way to check if you're being tracked properly). The latency is minimal; it's super responsive.
Things I didn't mind but you might: It is an arm workout (whether that's good or bad depends on you). It definitely skews on the younger side with the cheerful AI, STEM bent. The physical mapping of Avengers Campus in this ride is utter doodoo—somehow you can U-turn into an alley and you're behind the Test Kitchen, and then another U-turn and you're by the exit.
We were super early in the land, so Pym Test Kitchen was still serving breakfast. We waited in standby because of the new rolling system they had for mobile order (to avoid a repeat of opening day, they open return windows in like 3 hour blocks). I got the Calculated Breakfast, and my sibling got the Impossible version. Both were good! I liked the focaccia, tater tots, and Impossible sausage.
Also got to try a few of the cocktails at the Pym Tasting Lab. The Particle Fizz (hard seltzer, cherry popping boba) was meh; somehow tasted even less fruit than a La Croix, and it was supposed to be POG-flavored! The Honey Buzz was delicious; like a sweet Moscow mule. Definitely will get one again.
The land would be absolutely nothing without the character interactions though, for sure. In the span of the few hours we were in the land, we saw the Spiderman stuntronic, a training session led by Okoye, and a Black Widow/Black Panther vs. Taskmaster stunt show; all of them (with the exception of Okoye) also held meet and greets. There was no schedule; it all happened relatively spontaneously (though you could predict that something would happen when there was an influx of cast members doing crowd flow).
The land is punching up much higher than the ride, restaurant, and shop will have you believe. You can almost delude yourself into the CAMPUS backstory as a call-to-action for superheroes because everyone's here and ready to party in the land. Take away the shows, and you're left with what Galaxy's Edge is now except with worse infrastructure.
TL;DR the ride is fine, the food is good, the character experiences make the land.
(Unrelated, but we rode Guardians twice with no wait because it was restricted to the land, so another plus in our experience!)
EDIT: Also just remembered! We tried the Pingo Doce and didn't like it. It's essentially Vanilla Mountain Dew and it's a strange taste.
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Disney Analyst
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Sounds like a wonderful time!
Bucky will always be the Winter Soldier. It is an underlying identity literally programmed into his mind. He can’t take it off like a costume. One of the core threads running through the show is that he has to live with that reality, learn to cope with it, and accept that the Winter Soldier will always be there, just below the surface. But he doesn’t have to let it control him.
Two very key story elements drive that thread home. The first is during the flashbacks in Wakanda that show how much effort and training it took to learn to suppress, but not completely eliminate, the code word sequence that triggers his Winter Soldier activation. The possibility of reactivation haunts him throughout the series. Zemo immediately tries when they first meet again in the prison. And remember, Zemo had already successfully reactivated him once before in Civil War.
The second one happens when they infiltrate Madripoor, with Bucky assuming the identity of Winter Soldier. Even though he isn’t fully activated as the Winter Soldier and is in full control of his actions…he can effortlessly channel that training and personality with effective precision as he demonstrates in the bar fight scene. Zemo quips to Sam that it “doesn’t take much for him to fall back into form.” At the end of the fight, Sam even has to check on Bucky to make sure he hasn’t started to lose himself to his underlying programming. For a brief moment, Bucky is frozen in a blank stare with his opponent pinned to the counter. He is clearly right on the razor’s edge, but he snaps out of it.
Bucky will forever be the Winter Soldier. It’s who he is, it’s the past actions he has to cope with, it’s the physical and mental parts of his identity, and it can never be completely separated from the man.
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Jefro
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Hadn't thought of that. GE did the same on our visits, shifting even a portion of folks away is always underappreciated.
Jefro
Active Member
Finally a review vs bickering and moaning about how Disney has failed (in a park everyone craps on anyway, but my family loves) and should have realized all the issues like they did from the interwebs and all the ruinous souvenirs that don't fit alongside their Donald duck tote bags. A bunch of sourpus armchair PMs
Fine, I'll get off your lawn.
Anyway
thanks!
Six Flags paints a bare ride the color of the 'theme' and puts painted flats at the entrance.
This isn't that.
Disney Analyst
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Yeah I mean… anyone saying this is like six flags has already decided they hate this before it even opened. Can’t convince anyone who made up their mind when this was announced.
chadwpalm
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Well, I won’t be seeing Avengers Campus this trip. Wasn't fast enough at 7am and I got distracted at noon and missed it. Oh well. I did get a backup pass for Rise so if things run smooth today I might get a second ride on that. This virtual queue thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. The covid restrictions I knew going in, but if I had a chance to rethink this I would have wait at least until that was over.
I also think this will be my last solo trip for a while. I love Disneyland but it’s so much better sharing it with others.
Wasn’t feeling well last night, so I took some Pepto and a sleeping pill. I ended up sleeping in (tho woke up temporarily for Web boarding pass) and not getting to DCA until 11am. After missing getting into AC and now standing in a line to pick up mobile order I’m over DCA and I’m gonna head back over to DL and pick up the rides I missed yesterday. If I have to wait in lines I’d rather do it there.
I’ll give a more detailed trip report when I get home.
I also think this will be my last solo trip for a while. I love Disneyland but it’s so much better sharing it with others.
Wasn’t feeling well last night, so I took some Pepto and a sleeping pill. I ended up sleeping in (tho woke up temporarily for Web boarding pass) and not getting to DCA until 11am. After missing getting into AC and now standing in a line to pick up mobile order I’m over DCA and I’m gonna head back over to DL and pick up the rides I missed yesterday. If I have to wait in lines I’d rather do it there.
I’ll give a more detailed trip report when I get home.
Disney Analyst
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Okay so what I’ve decided, it’s only one stunt man on the roof, and he tracks across the entire roof, starting at the far end crane, and ending with the wall climb.
This is why they have that gap between him running into the red section and the launch of the Stunt-tronic. The vent behind the tumble section is likely used for him to run to the other side to get hooked up for the wall climb.
Then once down from the wall claim, meet and greet Spider-Man takes over.
This is why they have that gap between him running into the red section and the launch of the Stunt-tronic. The vent behind the tumble section is likely used for him to run to the other side to get hooked up for the wall climb.
Then once down from the wall claim, meet and greet Spider-Man takes over.
MoonRakerSCM
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Any reports from today?
Curious Constance
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Bro, I told my son that I bet meet and greet Spider-Man isn’t the same guy that climbed down the wall and he just rolled his eyes at me.