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Avatar Land...think Disney regrets the idea?
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flyerjab
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Even though I know you know way more than I do about what goes on behind the scenes (and I respect you a ton on these forums) I will differ with you on this point.
I have worked on and lead major capital projects where I am currently employed. I have been assigned some projects that I had no choice and wanted no part of. That being said, there was no way I was going to do a subpar or mediocre job, if for no other reason than that of ego. And I was only working on vaccine manufacturing suites and equipment. Rohde is working on an entire expansion for a theme park and the stakes are very high. I don't believe that his effort will be lackluster by any stretch. Working on something of this scale for people all over the world to come and visit is pretty much akin to letting your "boys" (innuendo) hang out for everyone to see. There is no way this is not given every ounce of effort by Rohde and company within the budget they accept.
I also think that the unique nature of this expansion will be a creatively-led celebration. The land itself, paired with the floating mountains and the bioluminescence at night should prove amazing enough. Just my opinion though.
flyerjab
Well-Known Member
Thank you. We'll agree to differ then.
flyerjab
Well-Known Member
Your the man marni. I always look forward to your posts and will continue to do so.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
A 150 foot floating mountain really might be too big to fail
Not sure how familiar you are with construction, but what they currently have built could not be easily changed to something else. If the first sequel doesn't come out until December of 2016 it will be a few months into 2017 before they find out if it's a success or a bomb. The land opens in 2017. If they wanted to wait to see if the next movie was a success they wouldn't have broken ground years before it even was released. It's just wishful thinking at this point.
I think the Japan show building was built when EPCOT was built. They didn't start a new project and build a show building only to cancel it when it was about to open. There were plans to build additional WS attractions in Japan and Germany over the years. @marni1971 probably knows the exact history. I don't think it's the same thing as building out an Avatarland and then not opening it because the movie sequel bombs. The hotel examples were related to a downturn in tourism and an economic recession. The projects weren't put on hold because of a lack of popularity with then theme. It would be much more likely that Avatarland would be delayed or cancelled because of a macro-economic event like a major world wide recession (which is possible) or a sharp downturn in tourism due to a 9/11 like event then because of the new movie bombing. Even then it may be too late to turn back at this point.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Well I do agree with you on one thing...someone is in denial
It was indeed built in 1981-2.
Structural issues and a fresh look at a debatable script postponed it until phase two. Though not before the building was built as planned and I belive work had started on the interior items.
As we know phase twos have a tendency to get lost.
well said...all this is, is people who didn't like the movie so they don't want it to be built wishful thinkingA 150 foot floating mountain really might be too big to fail
Not sure how familiar you are with construction, but what they currently have built could not be easily changed to something else. If the first sequel doesn't come out until December of 2016 it will be a few months into 2017 before they find out if it's a success or a bomb. The land opens in 2017. If they wanted to wait to see if the next movie was a success they wouldn't have broken ground years before it even was released. It's just wishful thinking at this point.
I think the Japan show building was built when EPCOT was built. They didn't start a new project and build a show building only to cancel it when it was about to open. There were plans to build additional WS attractions in Japan and Germany over the years. @marni1971 probably knows the exact history. I don't think it's the same thing as building out an Avatarland and then not opening it because the movie sequel bombs. The hotel examples were related to a downturn in tourism and an economic recession. The projects weren't put on hold because of a lack of popularity with then theme. It would be much more likely that Avatarland would be delayed or cancelled because of a macro-economic event like a major world wide recession (which is possible) or a sharp downturn in tourism due to a 9/11 like event then because of the new movie bombing. Even then it may be too late to turn back at this point.
it s being built period...the next movie wont do as well it will probably only make 1.4 billion this time...
DVCOwner
A Long Time DVC Member
A 150 foot floating mountain really might be too big to fail
Not sure how familiar you are with construction, but what they currently have built could not be easily changed to something else. If the first sequel doesn't come out until December of 2016 it will be a few months into 2017 before they find out if it's a success or a bomb. The land opens in 2017. If they wanted to wait to see if the next movie was a success they wouldn't have broken ground years before it even was released. It's just wishful thinking at this point.
I think the Japan show building was built when EPCOT was built. They didn't start a new project and build a show building only to cancel it when it was about to open. There were plans to build additional WS attractions in Japan and Germany over the years. @marni1971 probably knows the exact history. I don't think it's the same thing as building out an Avatarland and then not opening it because the movie sequel bombs. The hotel examples were related to a downturn in tourism and an economic recession. The projects weren't put on hold because of a lack of popularity with then theme. It would be much more likely that Avatarland would be delayed or cancelled because of a macro-economic event like a major world wide recession (which is possible) or a sharp downturn in tourism due to a 9/11 like event then because of the new movie bombing. Even then it may be too late to turn back at this point.
I think you are 100% on this. The hotel projects put on hold where due to 9/11 and than the expansion of DVC decreasing the need for additional standard hotel rooms on the property. There would have to be a major world wide event to stop this project from happening. The time it is taking to build this project is about the same as for other major expansion with the only difference is that the other projects are not usually released to the public before concept design is completed.
Mouse Trap
Well-Known Member
As stated prior, I think the real home run to this will be how it appears at night. The thought of walking into Pandora in the evening conjures up some sort of odd fan boy-like excitement IF we get a well executed beautiful, bio-luminescent forest and towering "mountains" featured in the concept art/films.
Obviously Disney is building Pandora to keep people at AK through the evening, but Disney can really strike gold if it creates an attraction specifically designed to visit at night. There is nothing of the sort in central Florida. Yes, I know DA and Hogsmeade look really pretty at night, but its just some lit windows and dark(er) walkways. I'm hoping we get an entirely unique experience at night compared to during the day.
Obviously Disney is building Pandora to keep people at AK through the evening, but Disney can really strike gold if it creates an attraction specifically designed to visit at night. There is nothing of the sort in central Florida. Yes, I know DA and Hogsmeade look really pretty at night, but its just some lit windows and dark(er) walkways. I'm hoping we get an entirely unique experience at night compared to during the day.
I agree
this has the POTENTIAL to be a real game changer at night
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Except if it was Beastly Kingdom there wouldn't be a simulator. The main ride would be a roller coaster with a fire breathing animatronic Dragon.
I still want to see this happen one day. There is still that huge plot of empty land behind Asia......
GoofGoof
Premium Member
That may have been the original plan, but I think EE has a very similar concept to that except with a swiping yeti (when working) instead of a fire breathing dragon. Having a Soarin type simulator does provide diversity of rides for AK since there is nothing like it in the park.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
the trivia part of that movie is pretty funny..
Seems the "Assonitis" guy pretty much ruined that movie due of his ego. Reminds me also the movie THE ROOM.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
its sad when executives always can "phase two", because "phase one is enough and we're satisfied"
to clarify. "Can" as in Trash.
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danlb_2000
Premium Member
Where do you get a decade from? It's supposed to open in early 2017 which means three years to build and 5 years from announcement. The only unusual thing about this is that it was announced far earlier in the development process then most new attractions.
dstrawn9889
Well-Known Member
he just hate'n... let the troll lie
s8film40
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry I exaggerated. It was announced in 2011 and is said to open in 2017. To me that's a good portion of a decade of coarse it's assuming it opens on time. In any case, lets just say 5 years. I'm not hating or trolling. I'm simply discussing the point that many projects although planned do not make it through the planning or even construction phase. I have followed theme parks and especially WDW for a very long time and I have become accustomed to not accepting something as fact until it's pretty much finished. This is simply a lesson I have learned from history especially WDW history. If indeed like the question this thread asks "Does Disney regret Avatar" is true I am simply pointing out that it isn't built yet and that doesn't mean it will end up being built. If they truly come to regret the decision it simply doesn't have to happen.
I have often commented in the past that the theme parks often miss out on a lot of the hype surrounding new IP's because they wait such a long time to develop attractions. They wait to make sure it's something that's going to hold up over time, movies come and go but it's not so easy to forget about a physical theme park attractions. I think the timeline of this project is somewhat telling. The attraction is set to open the year following the new movies release. Meaning should the movie be a big hit they will be able to capitalize off of it very quickly. However that timing also gives them the benefit to feel out the situation as they go and if they decide to make some last minute changes they can. I think this is a smart approach, and could be a very good model for handling future IP's