AVATAR land - the specifics

[Disneyhead'71]

I'm still kinda bummed we won't actually get to ride a banshee. As we all know about a certain pic that was floating around the web. Why did that concept get scrapped. Was it too expensive or too technologically challenging to get up and running?

The storytelling is more consistent with the source material.

 

[TyTrap]

The storytelling is more consistent with the source material.

Yea but just imagine how cool that would've been? It would've been such a game changer in theme parks.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yea but just imagine how cool that would've been? It would've been such a game changer in theme parks.

I think it would have been broken a whole lot. There is no way to logistically build an actual AA that you would sit on that would have been durable enough.

 

[TyTrap]

I think it would have been broken a whole lot. There is no way to logistically build an actual AA that you would sit on that would have been durable enough.

I figured and plus it would be costly with maintaining them.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

I was one of those people who thought there might be an AA ride vehicle (more like animated figure vehicle), although I always realized the challenge and was somewhat skeptical. I thought that the head/neck would move up in front where guests wouldn't reach, and there would be a "saddle" that would be made out of durable materials. The thing that I couldn't get past was the wingspan; that would be very complicated to pull off well and make a ride that isn't a nightmare to operate. I still think the concept would work in the right situation, but this wouldn't really be the right situation.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think the other issue is making it feel real. You don't want to end up with this:

People have to sit on the ride and if you want to add motion they have to be sitting secure in a seat. People of all shapes and sizes will be riding. I think the fact that the movie had the actual humans sitting securely in a chair and connecting virtually with an Avatar on the planet which did the flying allows them to use that concept with the ride. In the pre-show you are syncing with your Avatar and then on the ride you connect and experience the flight "through the Avatar's eyes".

 

[Daveeeeed]

Something interesting worth looking at is Disney's recent use of 3D glasses compared to Flight of Passage.

Here's Ratatouille's for comparison:

The field of view is quite limited especially when compared to FoP, so I suspect it truly will surround your complete field of view.

 

[MonkeyHead]

I think the other issue is making it feel real. You don't want to end up with this:

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People have to sit on the ride and if you want to add motion they have to be sitting secure in a seat. People of all shapes and sizes will be riding. I think the fact that the movie had the actual humans sitting securely in a chair and connecting virtually with an Avatar on the planet which did the flying allows them to use that concept with the ride. In the pre-show you are syncing with your Avatar and then on the ride you connect and experience the flight "through the Avatar's eyes".

The humans in the movie never "sat securely in a chair" they were lain horizontally and unconscious in a tube. But yes, for the purposes of an attraction and the fact that technology is still being used to see though the eyes of an avatar it makes complete sense.

As standard human could never sit on a banshee themselves anyway - they're way too small.

All that said I'm still waiting for the explanation on why human tourists can breathe on the planet at all - since that is a major plot point and difficulty for people multiple times throughout the film.

 

[Mike S]

The humans in the movie never "sat securely in a chair" they were lain horizontally and unconscious in a tube. But yes, for the purposes of an attraction and the fact that technology is still being used to see though the eyes of an avatar it makes complete sense.

As standard human could never sit on a banshee themselves anyway - they're way too small.

All that said I'm still waiting for the explanation on why human tourists can breathe on the planet at all - since that is a major plot point and difficulty for people multiple times throughout the film.

That will be a very tough one. An explanation like terraforming would just fly in the face of the whole conceit of respecting nature.

 

[truecoat]

The seating in the video was a smokescreen. Someone sent me some promotional material for the ride.

Thanks to @GoofGoof for the idea.

 

[Atomicmickey]

The humans in the movie never "sat securely in a chair" they were lain horizontally and unconscious in a tube. But yes, for the purposes of an attraction and the fact that technology is still being used to see though the eyes of an avatar it makes complete sense.

As standard human could never sit on a banshee themselves anyway - they're way too small.

All that said I'm still waiting for the explanation on why human tourists can breathe on the planet at all - since that is a major plot point and difficulty for people multiple times throughout the film.

How can we breathe in Space Mountain? In Spaceship Earth? Under the Sea?

Actually I think it's an easy answer. The events of the park take place many, many years after the
events of the film. So perhaps we have adapted. Perhaps the atmosphere has changed. Perhaps
it's a theme park.

Still waiting, Disney. Your move.

 

[GoofGoof]

The humans in the movie never "sat securely in a chair" they were lain horizontally and unconscious in a tube. But yes, for the purposes of an attraction and the fact that technology is still being used to see though the eyes of an avatar it makes complete sense.

As standard human could never sit on a banshee themselves anyway - they're way too small.

All that said I'm still waiting for the explanation on why human tourists can breathe on the planet at all - since that is a major plot point and difficulty for people multiple times throughout the film.

It would be kinda hard to feel the motion properly if you were laying flat in a coffin It's been a while since I watched the movie. I was thinking of the Matrix where they sit in chairs?

I think you have to use a little imagination with any theme park. They could have gone with some backstory about creating an atmosphere on Pandora suitable for humans.

 

[truecoat]

The humans in the movie never "sat securely in a chair" they were lain horizontally and unconscious in a tube. But yes, for the purposes of an attraction and the fact that technology is still being used to see though the eyes of an avatar it makes complete sense.

As standard human could never sit on a banshee themselves anyway - they're way too small.

All that said I'm still waiting for the explanation on why human tourists can breathe on the planet at all - since that is a major plot point and difficulty for people multiple times throughout the film.

We've all been genetically modified to breathe carbon dioxide?

 

[Incomudro]

How can we breathe in Space Mountain? In Spaceship Earth? Under the Sea?

Actually I think it's an easy answer. The events of the park take place many, many years after the
events of the film. So perhaps we have adapted. Perhaps the atmosphere has changed. Perhaps
it's a theme park.

Still waiting, Disney. Your move.

Some people over think everything.

 

[flynnibus]

I think it would have been broken a whole lot. There is no way to logistically build an actual AA that you would sit on that would have been durable enough.

"its fun to do the impossible.."

It's not that far off of doing things like this..

or this which was a motion base (which was done in the 80s)

The unfun part of it is doing it for so many stations and the space it would take... Plus, who wants to ride a body of a banshee with no wings, etc. Might as well be riding blue sausages. The link chair at least gives some plot framework for why you are in this artificial setting that works for the story.

 

[RSoxNo1]

How can we breathe in Space Mountain? In Spaceship Earth? Under the Sea?

Actually I think it's an easy answer. The events of the park take place many, many years after the
events of the film. So perhaps we have adapted. Perhaps the atmosphere has changed. Perhaps
it's a theme park.

Still waiting, Disney. Your move.

Space Mountain has an invisible oxygen dome.

 

[Atomicmickey]

Space Mountain has an invisible oxygen dome.

Well there you go.

Assuming that Disney has that technology, it should be a simple matter to replicate it over
Pandora. However, now I am concerned for the lives of Pandora's indigenous flora and fauna,
which have evolved to thrive in other atmospheres than ours.
I don't think it is right or proper for Disney to maintain an oxygen dome over those delicate
and unique life forms. One can only imagine the suffering. Isn't it enough that Banshees,
Direwolves, and the like are kept captive and paraded out for our First World pleasures,
now they're being slowly suffocated as part of some sort of freak tourist show.

I'm frankly ashamed and will boycott.

Shame on you, Disney. What's next, removing "The" from ALL signs on property?

 

[Viget]

Shame on you, Disney. What's next, removing "The" from ALL signs on property?

Don't forget the war on the possessive ('s). Frankly that's just a travesty.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Don't forget the war on the possessive ('s). Frankly that's just a travesty.

Don't forget the war on spaces: BoardWalk

 

[sedati]

Reposting my own post from last year on this subject:

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Baja_Tickler
So having this by the entrance makes a lot more sense when I read this. These plants detoxify the atmosphere. Perhaps we are in an area where these are prevalent and so that is why we don't need breathing masks.