AVATAR land - the specifics

flynnibus

flynnibus

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GhostHost1000 said:
I love water scenery and wish they would do more of it, however at these heights I'm wondering if they turn those off on windy days?
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You have to imagine Disney built controls in for that kind of stuff. It will be interesting to see how the walking paths intermingle around these things
 
hpyhnt 1000

hpyhnt 1000

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flynnibus said:
The things that stand out to me so far...

The waterfalls break any sense of forced perspective with the centerpiece. The speed of the water and scale completely detract from the idea of distance
The lack of 'density' in the backdrop in the land. The canopy is way too open to be any sense of in a jungle.
The banshee looks almost like being on a bench with the people next to you? Hrmm.. I know its not a bench seat, but was hoping for more gapping there
The food looked attractive
Have high hopes for the boat ride still.. but curious what the plot line will be.

It's reminding me of Universal Studios a bit.. enough to be 'from the movie' but not enough to be immersive and suspend disbelief.
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Yeah, waterfalls are tricky. Probably the best application of it in forced perspective is on Radiator Springs Racers, and that's largely because it's only meant to be few hundred feet away (unlike these mountains that are supposed to look thousands of feet high) and you only have a few seconds to look at it.

As far as the tree canopy, not much we can do but wait. Just have to give it 5-7 years for things to grow in. I remember my family being quite surprised at how much the tree canopy had grown at AK from out first visit in 1998 to our next one in 2005. It made a huge difference in the appearance and atmosphere of the park, especially in the Oasis and along the animal viewing trails.

The banshee ride is still a bit of an enigma. It's hard to tell from the video, but the setting looked a lot like Soarin', with benches stretching across the theater. Hopefully it's a bit more intimate/unique in person.
 
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gorillaball

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flynnibus said:
It's like building a prestigious mansion.. and then putting plastic flamingos and garden nomes out front.
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Probably need to see it in person first. Does it break the perspective a little, maybe, but I would guess having the falls in the first place enhances it more than the offsetting in break of perspective. The same thing happens on radiator springs racers at DCA but I don't think anybody would claim the ride would be better without the water.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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truecoat said:
I think you're overstating it.
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Not really. The further away something is, the slower it will appear to move to you from your POV. Your brain is conditioned to see that and expect it. When you see that water stream.. it doesn't look like a 50ft wide stream of water hundreds of feet away, it looks like a 1ft wide stream of water 50ft away because your brain picks up on how fast its falling. The use of free falling water in a forced perspective scene is a bad idea.

The entire idea is to fool your brain.. and when you stick things in the field of view that work COUNTER to the illusion.. then that is going to break the entire thing.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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gorillaball said:
Probably need to see it in person first. Does it break the perspective a little, maybe, but I would guess having the falls in the first place enhances it more than the offsetting in break of perspective. The same thing happens on radiator springs racers at DCA but I don't think anybody would claim the ride would be better without the water.
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The RSR example is another great one where they screwed up what was a decent scene. The bridge looks like a toy because of it. Doing things like using mist moving at a controlled air speed over a reflective surface could give an alternate view that people would pick up on as a waterfall without having a free mass of water falling.

Or having water bounce out the whole way down to slow what is otherwise a free fall.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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hpyhnt 1000 said:
Yeah, waterfalls are tricky. Probably the best application of it in forced perspective is on Radiator Springs Racers, and that's largely because it's only meant to be few hundred feet away (unlike these mountains that are supposed to look thousands of feet high) and you only have a few seconds to look at it.
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The time viewing the scene is another great point. I noted the RSR problem when that opened too, but as you say, its a relatively quick view which helps.

hpyhnt 1000 said:
As far as the tree canopy, not much we can do but wait. Just have to give it 5-7 years for things to grow in. I remember my family being quite surprised at how much the tree canopy had grown at AK from out first visit in 1998 to our next one in 2005. It made a huge difference in the appearance and atmosphere of the park, especially in the Oasis and along the animal viewing trails.
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True, time always helps here. Just some of the horizon views really stood out to me how open they are. The ideas of more wrap over the top coverings could have gone a long way here. Don't build a biodome, but you could use the idea of canopies that extend out from your structures out over your walkways to create more overhead cover and limit the free fields of view.
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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hpyhnt 1000 said:
Yeah, waterfalls are tricky. Probably the best application of it in forced perspective is on Radiator Springs Racers, and that's largely because it's only meant to be few hundred feet away (unlike these mountains that are supposed to look thousands of feet high) and you only have a few seconds to look at it.

As far as the tree canopy, not much we can do but wait. Just have to give it 5-7 years for things to grow in. I remember my family being quite surprised at how much the tree canopy had grown at AK from out first visit in 1998 to our next one in 2005. It made a huge difference in the appearance and atmosphere of the park, especially in the Oasis and along the animal viewing trails.

The banshee ride is still a bit of an enigma. It's hard to tell from the video, but the setting looked a lot like Soarin', with benches stretching across the theater. Hopefully it's a bit more intimate/unique in person.
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Who says that the mountains we're walking under with the water are supposed to look one thousand feet high?
They don't look one thousand feet high without the water either.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Incomudro said:
Who says that the mountains we're walking under with the water are supposed to look one thousand feet high?
They don't look one thousand feet high without the water either.
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They call them 'floating mountains' not 'floating boulders'

I didn't say take water AWAY - I said their implementation hurts (and kills) the forced perspective.
 

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