AVATAR land - the specifics

[Mike S]

Just like the Mine Train we are starting the whole E, D, C ticket argument again. There are no tickets any more. Are we talking level of thrill, theming, cost to create, demand, throughput. My prediction, both new rides will be in high demand and extremely crowded when they open. Some will like one better than the other and vice versa.

If Disney still uses the phrase, we can too.

As we shared on the blog previously, Shanghai Disneyland will be home to the first-ever Pirates-themed land-Treasure Cove-and an E-ticket attraction called Pirates of the Caribbean: Battle for the Sunken Treasure. The attraction will feature a combination of new technology and innovation and will take guests on a pirate adventure with Captain Jack Sparrow and Captain Davy Jones, providing an experience unlike anything else in the world.

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2015/02/first-look-shanghai-disney-resort-images-revealed/

 

[Mawg]

If Disney still uses the phrase, we can too.

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2015/02/first-look-shanghai-disney-resort-images-revealed/

So by Disney labeling the boat ride a C ticket in the plans, does that mean we should only expect a "medium" level of theming? Just trying to set my expectations right. The concept art certainly looks more like a D ticket. But I still think all this ticket nonsense is just personal preference and the argument could go on and on just like it did with the mine train since there are no tickets any more.

 

[Mike S]

So by Disney labeling the boat ride a C ticket in the plans, does that mean we should only expect a "medium" level of theming? Just trying to set my expectations right. The concept art certainly looks more like a D ticket. But I still think all this ticket nonsense is just personal preference and the argument could go on and on just like it did with the mine train since there are no tickets any more.

Just don't expect anything amazing or groundbreaking. Then we can be pleasantly surprised. It looks more like a D ticket to me too so I'm just playing the "wait and see" game with how the boat ride will be.

 

[Dice50]

I remember reading there would be a drop on the boat ride, which to me, means it could be more than just a slow, casual tour through Pandora, and have at least one "thrill" part to it, which could mean it could be D-ticket stuff (fingers crossed)

 

[dstrawn9889]

lets see how tall the boat ride shell gets, then we can see if it is multilevel... although that would explain the deeper part up at the front of the slab... needing deeper water for the splashdown (so no bottoming out) and creation of a bow wave (kinetics in the rest of the ride, no smooth surface water)

 

[kap91]

Unfortunately you're right. But you would think with there just being 2 (although Carsland will get back to 3 next year), you would make 1 of them a big E ticket ride and then another medium level ride (or even 2 E ticket rides). Sounds like we're getting 2 medium type rides.

I know there is heavy skepticism (understatement of the year), so I'm likely to be discounted pretty soon, but as far as I can tell, and I'd be willing to put money on it, the simulator is definitely going to be an e-ticket and the boat ride will probably be with the only thing potentially knocking it down being ride duration. Of course this whole ticket debate is next to useless these days because so many people have differing standards on what an e-ticket is - you can base it on how if the ticket system was still around the rides would be priced, the level of immersion/detail, the scale, the thrill level, the technical sophistication, etc. I think a lot of people these days focus on the thrill/technology definition in which case perhaps you're closer to correct. The boat ride is likely not going to be thrilling in terms of movement and neither look to be using anything really groundbreaking in ride system technology, though both ride systems likely will still be new. I'd also argue truly groundbreaking ride system technology is becoming harder and harder to come by and more and more pointless.

My definition revolves around the level of immersion and (sometimes) scale - in which case the whole land is looking to be an e-ticket, including the rides.

 

[doctornick]

I remember reading there would be a drop on the boat ride, which to me, means it could be more than just a slow, casual tour through Pandora, and have at least one "thrill" part to it, which could mean it could be D-ticket stuff (fingers crossed)

It seems like you enter the ride on one level and the actually show building is at a lower level, which would it seems indicate that some drop would be involved.

That said, I personally think some POTC drop does virtually nothing to make a ride more "thrilling" and I find it silly that people think that it does but to each their own. Furthermore I'd argue that this boat ride should not be thrilling since it really needs to be all ages accessible and enjoyable to folks who can't tolerate more thrilling rides. DAK has a lot of fun stuff, but pretty much every ride is thrilling to some extent (basically except for Triceratops Spin and the train, even the safari is kinda bumpy despite no height restriction) and the park could use some more relaxing rides.

 

[BrianLo]

So by Disney labeling the boat ride a C ticket in the plans, does that mean we should only expect a "medium" level of theming? Just trying to set my expectations right. The concept art certainly looks more like a D ticket. But I still think all this ticket nonsense is just personal preference and the argument could go on and on just like it did with the mine train since there are no tickets any more.

The leaked C-ticket plans far pre-date (by more than a year) the on and off again nature of the boat ride itself and that nice concept art. It could still be "that" C-ticket, but the general vibe is it may have been altered in the process to appease Cameron after cutting the budget from the original three ride plans.

 

[danlb_2000]

I remember reading there would be a drop on the boat ride, which to me, means it could be more than just a slow, casual tour through Pandora, and have at least one "thrill" part to it, which could mean it could be D-ticket stuff (fingers crossed)

I don't believe their any reliable source for the idea that the ride will have a drop.

 

[MotherOfBirds]

Pandorin'

 

[spacemt354]

This is the only concept art we have for the boat ride. For all w know the load/unload is off to the right of this picture and it's just a 2 minute loop through this space. Yes, it would look cool, but I wouldn't call that an E-Ticket.

I don't think anyone has given a specific length for the boat ride. But regardless of length, during the day this type of attraction would be far less appealing than when it's all lit up at night.

Makes me wonder if it's going to be all indoors like PotC (for the nighttime effect), outdoors, or a combination of both...

The original leaked plans had what seemed to be both an indoor/outdoor ride, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[twebber55]

one thing that interest me (of many things that interest me) is how much of the Bioluminescent forest will be real trees and how much of it will be fake trees?

 

[danlb_2000]

I don't think anyone has given a specific length for the boat ride. But regardless of length, during the day this type of attraction would be far less appealing than when it's all lit up at night.

Makes me wonder if it's going to be all indoors like PotC (for the nighttime effect), outdoors, or a combination of both...

The original leaked plans had what seemed to be both an indoor/outdoor ride, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

You can't actually draw that conclusion from the plans. The plans show the boat ride exiting the Soarin' show building but that doesn't mean it couldn't go directly into an adjacent show building.

 

[ULPO46]

one thing that interest me (of many things that interest me) is how much of the Bioluminescent forest will be real trees and how much of it will be fake trees?

Good Question, believe it or not all the trees will be real, they will have LED lighting rigs near leaves to make it look Bioluminescent. and of Course the TOL will get a major facelift on it's "leaves" replacing them with ones that will glow when dusk approaches.

 

[dstrawn9889]

Good Question, believe it or not all the trees will be real, they will have LED lighting rigs near leaves to make it look Bioluminescent. and of Course the TOL will get a major facelift on it's "leaves" replacing them with ones that will glow when dusk approaches.

where did you get that? maybe an uplighting package... but to replace the leaves before their timed lifespan is up? more armchair imagineering

 

[ULPO46]

where did you get that? maybe an uplighting package... but to replace the leaves before their timed lifespan is up? more armchair imagineering

You are right, they wont exactly change the leaves entirely only give them the uplighting, but maybe Disney will suprise us. How ever I got this info from a contractor friend working on the project.

 

[ULPO46]

This is the only concept art we have for the boat ride. For all w know the load/unload is off to the right of this picture and it's just a 2 minute loop through this space. Yes, it would look cool, but I wouldn't call that an E-Ticket.

Let's face it, if this is a ride, I have a feeling it will be a dark ride indoors. It's mostly teaser concept art, but it could make a very nice ride at DAK.

 

[danlb_2000]

where did you get that? maybe an uplighting package... but to replace the leaves before their timed lifespan is up? more armchair imagineering

Yeah, I can't see how that would work, they would constantly have to adjust the rigs as the tree rows, or if something happens to the leaves or branches. Not to mention the fact that at least some of the trees would have to be fake so that they could include ones that didn't look like anything we have on earth.

 

[Dice50]

The leaked C-ticket plans far pre-date (by more than a year) the on and off again nature of the boat ride itself and that nice concept art. It could still be "that" C-ticket, but the general vibe is it may have been altered in the process to appease Cameron after cutting the budget from the original three ride plans.

I didn't know about the original plans, what were the three original rides going to be?

 

[TomP]

Yeah, I can't see how that would work, they would constantly have to adjust the rigs as the tree rows, or if something happens to the leaves or branches. Not to mention the fact that at least some of the trees would have to be fake so that they could include ones that didn't look like anything we have on earth.

Or perhaps they could use projection mapping?