AVATAR land coming to Disney's Animal Kingdom

[MissMorrow]

Re-read my post. I never said it wasn't popular, in fact way back in the thread I acknowledged it was very popular. What I said was that not everyone who saw the movie liked it. Period.



Not everyone who saw the movie bought it on DVD. Fact. I've already said the movie was popular. The point I'm trying to make is that despite what some of the people in this thread seem to think, the final sales figures do not guarantee it is a beloved classic of a film. The majority of people may love the heck out of the film. That doesn't mean everyone does. So kindly stop acting like I kicked your dog.

Avatar = Popular
Everyone does not like Avatar
Popular does not always equal good.

Thank you! :sohappy:

 

[twinnstar]

I've got at least three great jokes about those girls giant blue ears.

Want 'em now or should I wait?

be careful, you dont wanna get banned!

 

[MotherOfBirds]

Is popularity the only qualification for enjoying a franchise-based attraction? Look at Uni: How popular was The Mummy? How much "staying power" do you think those movies have? It doesn't matter. The ride is very well done with great special effects and is a lot of fun. It was done very well, so who cares how many people saw it in theaters or bought the dvds? I've done neither and I enjoyed the ride immensely. Or Men In Black. A popular movie, but not a major franchise. And yet, the ride for it is extremely popular because it is fun and very well done.

So who cares? It's going to be a very cool environment that will no doubt be filled with interesting, exciting, and technologically advanced attractions that will be fun for anyone. I don't think that seeing Avatar or reading the Wikipedia page is a prerequisite to enter the land or enjoy it.

 

[RadioHead]

Are you related to a Jedi?

 

[RadioHead]

I just reported myself!

Lier. I on the other hand have already did:lol:

 

[juan]

I have to admit, I am completely blind-sided by this announcement.
This is definitely great news!
:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

Re-read my post. I never said it wasn't popular, in fact way back in the thread I acknowledged it was very popular. What I said was that not everyone who saw the movie liked it. Period.



Not everyone who saw the movie bought it on DVD. Fact. I've already said the movie was popular. The point I'm trying to make is that despite what some of the people in this thread seem to think, the final sales figures do not guarantee it is a beloved classic of a film. The majority of people may love the heck out of the film. That doesn't mean everyone does. So kindly stop acting like I kicked your dog.

Avatar = Popular
Everyone does not like Avatar
Popular does not always equal good.

So what does equal good?

An academy award nomination for best picture?
An 83% on rotten tomatoes?
The fact that word of mouth propelled it to the #1 box office spot for seven straight weeks (even though its opening weekend was worse than past December films like "I am Legend")?

I've never seen the movie, but to imply that Avatar is simply popular and a box office hit is a bit much. The film had various merits and is widely considered to be a really good film. I don't want to hear any more anecdotes about how somebody here and 7 of their friends all hated it. Maybe 7 of my friends and I all hated "Up" and "Beauty and the Beast," but clearly they're still considered to be really good films overall (I don't hate them, btw).

I'm looking forward to seeing the new attractions that AK receives. The park has been really lacking, IMO, and I rarely spend more than 4 hours there in one trip. This will reenergize the park and provide something totally new and original (since it hasn't been done in other Disney parks). :sohappy:

 

[allgar]

A quick search just pulled up multiple Avatar fansites. Who knew? Just as millions of people neither know nor care about WDW fansites.

So perhaps there are people who would go just to see Avatar land who would not go to see The Mouse?

Oh I can guarantee there will be visitors attracted by Avatar alone, the same way Harry attracted people to Universal. It won't be anywhere near the same level of attraction but there will be lots of folks who want to go experience Pandora.

 

[PhilharMagician]

I'm a Star Wars Fanatic.
Saw it 11 times in the theatre in 1977.
And hundreds of times since.

But it all honesty, it's a pretty simple story.
In fact, the basic storyline was one of its criticisms back in the day, and a major reason Oscar voters gave Woody Allen's 'Annie Hall' the Best Picture Oscar over 'Star Wars' that year.
I'm not saying it was justified, obviously it wasn't.
But 'A New Hope' was hardly powerful storytelling.

Lucas got much deeper with the story in 'Empire Strikes Back'.(which surpisingly I only saw 6 times in theatre)
I'm hoping the 'Avatar' sequel follows this path.
Cameron showed with 'Titanic' that he knows how to weave a story.

My point is, it was the "World" created in Star Wars that made it so popular.
Just like Avatar.

I think you are misunderstanding me.

When I say "story" I do not mean that its some original draw dropping hair ripping out crazy story. I mean, that the story (the characters, the script, the "WORLD" as you put it...) that's the "story". AVATAR was a hit because of the CGI/Special Effects. The story just was not there, in many peoples opinions. It wasn't a well written film, it was too long, etc etc. I KNOW that has no bearing on the land, but this is what this argument has turned into. It went from me simply saying I didn't like Avatarland, and I didnt think it had the fan base...to now we're debating if the film is any good.

Thats where we are. I'm simply asking if we can agree to disagree.It's pretty clear that everyone who agrees with me has long left this thread, and I need to as well. Unfortunately I'm very bored at work and its hard to pull myself away :lol:

Do you even realize what you are typing?

You are asking him to agree to disagree? You are completely agreeing with him that Star Wars, like Avatar does not have a great story. Both movies made it to the top with technology that completely blew away the movie gowers that returned to see it multiple time to soak up the experience.

 

[twinnstar]

Maybe 7 of my friends and I all hated "Up" and "Beauty and the Beast," but clearly they're still considered to be really good films overall (I don't hate them, btw)

hehe, im glad you added that part, i was about to be like WHAAAT!!! :shakesfist:

 

[MissMorrow]

Is popularity the only qualification for enjoying a franchise-based attraction? Look at Uni: How popular was The Mummy? How much "staying power" do you think those movies have? It doesn't matter. The ride is very well done with great special effects and is a lot of fun. It was done very well, so who cares how many people saw it in theaters or bought the dvds? I've done neither and I enjoyed the ride immensely. Or Men In Black. A popular movie, but not a major franchise. And yet, the ride for it is extremely popular because it is fun and very well done.

So who cares? It's going to be a very cool environment that will no doubt be filled with interesting, exciting, and technologically advanced attractions that will be fun for anyone. I don't think that seeing Avatar or reading the Wikipedia page is a prerequisite to enter the land or enjoy it.

I won't disagree that it will be a beautiful land and anyone will be able to enjoy that part of it, but I wonder in 20yrs time if I'll be rolling my eyes or if the whole thing will still be cool. Only time will tell.

On a side note, maybe they'll be selling candy unobtainium in the gift shop. Or better yet, some every flavor unobtainium that suspiciously look like jelly beans

And if the Men in Black and Mummy rides are still there in 20yrs I'll eat my hat.

 

[twinnstar]

Do you even realize what you are typing?

You are asking him to agree to disagree? You are completely agreeing with him that Star Wars, like Avatar does not have a great story. Both movies made it to the top with technology that completely blew away the movie gowers that returned to see it multiple time to soak up the experience.

Yes. You are totally right - Star Wars initially made it to the top because of the effects, but it stuck around because people were generally entertained by it. The effects are nothing anymore. I gave my personal definition of what I mean by story, perhaps I am confusing people cause I'm using the wrong word. But what I mean is it has to have a strong foundation in order to be a "classic". Star Wars does have a simple story, but its engaging and the characters are, etc etc etc. It is MY OPINION that Avatar does not have that same strong foundation and that I will be very surprised if it will be deemed a "classic" in the future.

can we just drop it and talk about the Park, I hate the film! okay! next topic!

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

hehe, im glad you added that part, i was about to be like WHAAAT!!! :shakesfist:

I could never hate them. "Up" represents Pixar's best effort yet to make its audience cry within the first 15 minutes (it worked on me), and BatB is one of the gems of Disney animation (up there with The Little Mermaid and The Lion King, IMO).

That said, I know people who didn't like either movie.

A better comparison might be "Cars." Just because I'm not a fan of either film, I still recognize that these movies appeal to someone, and that Carsland will be a great use of "Cars" in a theme park (particularly because of RSR).

I have similarly high hopes for Pandora (even though I don't know whether my opinion on the movie is positive or negative).

 

[MotherOfBirds]

Y'all know that they're going through with this, no matter how much fanboys kick and scream, right? How about we all just WAIT until we actually have some concept art or something to go on before we break out the smelling salts.

 

[MissMorrow]

Yes. You are totally right - Star Wars initially made it to the top because of the effects, but it stuck around because people were generally entertained by it. The effects are nothing anymore. I gave my personal definition of what I mean by story, perhaps I am confusing people cause I'm using the wrong word. But what I mean is it has to have a strong foundation in order to be a "classic". Star Wars does have a simple story, but its engaging and the characters are, etc etc etc. It is MY OPINION that Avatar does not have that same strong foundation and that I will be very surprised if it will be deemed a "classic" in the future.

can we just drop it and talk about the Park, I hate the film! okay! next topic!

I know what you mean. Star Wars is the simple, but classic, hero's journey story that is universally liked. I just didn't get that with Avatar.

 

[twinnstar]

I know what you mean. Star Wars is the simple, but classic, hero's journey story that is universally liked. I just didn't get that with Avatar.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you, I guess I'm just not explaining myself very well today. :shrug:

 

[RadioHead]

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you, I guess I'm just not explaining myself very well today. :shrug:

No, you clearly aren't.

 

[RadioHead]

I can't tell. His posts might have just been baleeted because he still appears on the list of currently active users.

I wasn't banned a-holes.

 

[RSoxNo1]

:ROFLOL:

I'm sure that Radiator Springs Racers will prove how a good attraction can come from even the worst source material. And I expect Pandora to show how great attractions can come from material even if the thematic connection isn't perfect.

Carsland lends itself to a great environment and the merchandise opportunities are one of the key... wait for it... drivers. Avatar doesn't have that merchandise appeal so I still wouldn't be surprised to see Lucasland and/or Carsland in DHS.

 

[andre85]

I know what you mean. Star Wars is the simple, but classic, hero's journey story that is universally liked. I just didn't get that with Avatar.

Nor did we get that from Cars (which also, like many would argue, was a ripoff itself--nearly every plot point was lifted from Doc Hollywood).