coolbeans14
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Prometheus Does look good. And some of DC is very good. Batman is superior to most comic heroes. But one teensy problem... The Green Lantern.
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Prometheus Does look good. And some of DC is very good. Batman is superior to most comic heroes. But one teensy problem... The Green Lantern.
devoy1701
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The guy who wrote DisneyWar was not really an independent third party, he was sanctioned by Eisner and was allowed to follow him around for quite some time gaining important insight on key situations. However, James Stewart also didn't have a very high opinion of Eisner during the whole ordeal...so to say that it isn't biased is just ignorant. (actually anyone who thinks you can get a complete understanding of something from reading just one book is ignorant as well). While it includes multiple perspectives, the author still uses those perspectives to make his point and tell the story.
Why would you not want to read Work in Progress anyway? If you want to form an opinion on the subject and get as much information as possible you need to read both sides. And Work In Progress is a great example and exemplar into Eisner's thought process. While it skirts around some key issues (but does encompass both Katzenburg's dismissal as well as Frank's death), it's a key into what Eisner thought was important, and what situations and facts he homed in on...and how he really didn't see a flaw in his leadership styles. ALL of that is important to fully understand the rise and fall of Eisner and his Disney Company.
I've spent a few years researching the Disney Company and the leadership styles of the company's past CEOs. If you want to get a better understanding for the company, there's no way I wouldn't recommend reading Work in Progress.
Captain Neo
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The guy who wrote DisneyWar was not really an independent third party, he was sanctioned by Eisner and was allowed to follow him around for quite some time gaining important insight on key situations. However, James Stewart also didn't have a very high opinion of Eisner during the whole ordeal...so to say that it isn't biased is just ignorant. (actually anyone who thinks you can get a complete understanding of something from reading just one book is ignorant as well). While it includes multiple perspectives, the author still uses those perspectives to make his point and tell the story.
Why would you not want to read Work in Progress anyway? If you want to form an opinion on the subject and get as much information as possible you need to read both sides. And Work In Progress is a great example and exemplar into Eisner's thought process. While it skirts around some key issues (but does encompass both Katzenburg's dismissal as well as Frank's death), it's a key into what Eisner thought was important, and what situations and facts he homed in on...and how he really didn't see a flaw in his leadership styles. ALL of that is important to fully understand the rise and fall of Eisner and his Disney Company.
I've spent a few years researching the Disney Company and the leadership styles of the company's past CEOs. If you want to get a better understanding for the company, there's no way I wouldn't recommend reading Work in Progress.
But I just said there are multiple books and interviews from other people's perspectives. The recent Steve Jobs book by Walter Isaacberg for example. The documentary "The Pixar Story" also touches on this incident. When you have so many different parties from Stewart to Roy Disney to Pixar to Steve Jobs all saying Eisner was the problem guess what? Eisner might just be the problem!
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
I never said that Eisner wasn't the problem, but reading his words (albeit heavily edited) adds a very interesting and insightful level of complexity to the whole ordeal. If you want to form your own opinion on the subject...you don't just read up on "one side" of it...no matter how many different perspectives you think you're getting, it's still just one side. Katzenburg and Jobs might have said the same sorts of things about Eisner during different interviews on the subject. But without Eisner's interjections and thoughts, you can't paint the whole picture. DisneyWar does a great job giving some Eisner dialogue...but throughout most of the book he maintains a negative light on the guy and gives the impression of a clueless moron who can't keep his words straight and doublesback on every other conversation you have with him, it's not in your face...but that's the underlying tone I got from it.
Anyway, IMO Eisner in his heyday > Bob Iger. Eisner during his manic years = more interesting than Bob Iger.
Captain Neo
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Because that's exactly the kind of person Michael Eisner is. I mean jesus there was a reason shareholders had to literally pry him away from the CEO position.
Bob Iger is far more humble and has a more strategic mind. He knows that he himself isn't the visionary type so what he does is recruits and surrounds himself with the top talent from different fields (Jobs, Cameron, Lucas, Lasseter, etc.). He also smart enough to know to quit while he is ahead and that's why he will be stepping down in 2016 and allowing someone new to take the wheel. Michael Eisner wanted a permanent spot at the top and was hoping to start his own dynasty.
Sir-Disney
New Member
So let's say there is a coaster in the Avatar land. What could you all imagine it being? Do you think it would represent the dragon flight? Or could you see it being of the voyage to Pandora? I was kind of thinking it might be really cool if the coaster travelled through all of the Pandora area. If the whole thing is indoors, it would be neat to have the coaster travel throughout the entire environment.. which could still represent dragon flight. Thoughts?
StAug WDW fan
New Member
No
I really have no desire to see an avatar area. They could of come up with something a little better than this. I dont know maybe I just don't get it
I really have no desire to see an avatar area. They could of come up with something a little better than this. I dont know maybe I just don't get it
Jim Possible
Active Member
The Laugh Floor belongs in Pixar Place. Nothing about it screams "Tomorrowland" to me, and Pixar Place is kinda sad with just one attraction.
That being said, Carousel of Progress belongs in Epcot.
(What?)
NoChesterHester
Well-Known Member
Six months is plenty of time for a design team to develop good concepts, concept art, and have a pretty good idea of what it will cost. Meanwhile - we have seen nothing since the announcement. That lends credence to the statement by some here that the project isn't really progressing.
"Early stage" six months later is a troubling state of affairs for a high profile project.
Gregoryp73
Active Member
I don't care what they plan to do as long as they don't go 100% stupid and try turning the Tree of Life into the Tree of Souls.
I don't think they would ever do this...You do this to the park icon, and all of a sudden the whole park is pandora...
I'm sticking with the "pandora nature preserve on earth" concept. I think we will get a couple quick dining options, a couple of giftshops..an avatar show (maybe a night-time event that is like a Na'vi luau/ceremonial show outdoors where the forest comes alive), One 'E' ticket and a couple of smaller rides (like carsland). That 'E' ticket would most likely be a simulator type ride (something they do not currently have at AK)...and If so I would love to see something on par with Kong 360....as in HD 3d, and think star tours without being enclosed. So essentially a cross between soarin, and star tours.
G00fyDad
Well-Known Member
I agree, but TDO's track record is kind of against them at this point.
I know, I realize that they would not do this but it is a worst case scenario that almost gives me nightmares. 
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
You missed the most important part of any new Disney expansion......
A Meet & Greet!!! :lookaroun
Gregoryp73
Active Member
:hammer: You're right!!!
And i'm wondering they'll start having Avatar parade elements once ground is broken and the project is under way?
Prototype82
Well-Known Member
You know, I was thinking a Bambi ride would have much greater opportunity for imagination and technological innovation....
:ROFLOL:
jt04
Well-Known Member
I really like this and it solves a lot of theming issues and potential cost requirements. It may not mesh perfectly with the DAK model but then neither does CMM or the placement of Nemo or Dinorama (IMO). And it would definitely work with the average guest I think who view DAK as a well themed zoo made up of 'lands'.
The Kong 360 is a great concept. And it especially works if you are seeing Pandora etc 'virtually' if you catch my meaning.
Very cool.
Lee
Adventurer
Wait...are you disparaging Thunder Mesa?!?!
First time I've ever heard that....and it confuses me...:lookaroun