Disney Irish
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I know many people hated its look, but I didn’t think it was that bad.
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News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort
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SplashJacket
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chadwpalm
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- In the Parks
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DisneylandForward is not a "project". It's not a "designated theme park expansion development space" on the property. It is simply a rezoning of areas of land owned by Disney across the whole resort that previously couldn't be used for multi-purpose but now can. There is also no reason DLF would be talked about at D23 (or any expo) in the same vein as the parking garages or transportation hub would not be talked about. It's just property rezoning. It's just expansion space. No need for fanfare. Just use it as if they were using any other freed-up or reallocated backstage area (like MMRR).
DisneylandForward is approved. I don't see why there's a need for a waiting period to develop theme park space in the Simba lot. I also don't see why there is any need to wait until the EGW is finished to develop theme park space in the Simba lot. Disney can easily shuffle parking around to accommodate. Avatar wouldn't take up the entire lot anyway. They can move some of the public DTD parking back up to Stitch if necessary. It might suck for cast members for a while, but it is what it is. At some point all of that parking is going to get moved further away anyway.
Lastly, I don't think there is need for Disney to "officially" allocate Simba as DCA space publicly in order for it to be "official" DCA space. The new zoning is approved. They can file permits tomorrow if they wanted to.
At the end of the day, I'm not saying Avatar is going in Simba instead of the backlot, but I don't currently buy any of the reasons given as to why it can't or that it would need years of extra time. I think there's an equal chance at this point for it to go in either space, but since I don't believe the EGW is holding up the Simba spot like it is the backlot, I think if Disney wanted it done quicker that would be the site to do it....plus as others have said, they would have more freedom of space than the restrictions of the backlot. To me, Avatar is the project where they need to go big or go home.
Here's the theoretical 7.5 acres of Avatar space and the parking spaces they are potentially losing.
DisneylandForward is approved. I don't see why there's a need for a waiting period to develop theme park space in the Simba lot. I also don't see why there is any need to wait until the EGW is finished to develop theme park space in the Simba lot. Disney can easily shuffle parking around to accommodate. Avatar wouldn't take up the entire lot anyway. They can move some of the public DTD parking back up to Stitch if necessary. It might suck for cast members for a while, but it is what it is. At some point all of that parking is going to get moved further away anyway.
Lastly, I don't think there is need for Disney to "officially" allocate Simba as DCA space publicly in order for it to be "official" DCA space. The new zoning is approved. They can file permits tomorrow if they wanted to.
At the end of the day, I'm not saying Avatar is going in Simba instead of the backlot, but I don't currently buy any of the reasons given as to why it can't or that it would need years of extra time. I think there's an equal chance at this point for it to go in either space, but since I don't believe the EGW is holding up the Simba spot like it is the backlot, I think if Disney wanted it done quicker that would be the site to do it....plus as others have said, they would have more freedom of space than the restrictions of the backlot. To me, Avatar is the project where they need to go big or go home.
Here's the theoretical 7.5 acres of Avatar space and the parking spaces they are potentially losing.
chadwpalm
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Obviously there's room for adjustment, but I'm not sure if the monorail could conceivably do this tight of a turn radius:
I don't know what the minimum radius is, but I've observed that the current smallest is about 100' in the Autopia area.
DrAlice
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I doubted you and had to look. Yup, it does. I guess I lurked on this site for far longer than I realized.
MoonRakerSCM
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Disney had it shown on their official plans (cut off in the version I have). Also I've mentioned above that I measured it years ago and it is equal to the tightest turns in the Tland 'spaghetti bowl'. 100' radius is easy in that spot-
MoonRakerSCM
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The argument here is that's now 7.5 acres of parking lost to the resort. I'm not up on recent goings-ons with parking, but I was under the impression that parking was already well at capacity. That's why the Eastern Gateway was being done.
Though, agreed, no reason Avatar can't go here... heck, coco could go in the backlot and they could put in a whole Olvera Street area back there.
I would argue though that the concept of 'space' isn't too big of an argument. Whether it's now or 30 years from now, Anaheim property is at a premium and anything that gets built anywhere will be maximized for space utilization.
chadwpalm
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Yeah, like I said, they would make it work....just looked tight to me, maybe because the image was zoomed out more and it threw me off.
MoonRakerSCM
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Size/space is a weird thing. That's what I've been pointing out in here is that size wise, AK's Avatarland could fit into the backlot/bus space just fine. It's hard to visualize or think about it, but the reality is, it'd fit acreage wise with minimal tweaks.
mickEblu
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Good lord that looks terrible
chadwpalm
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Well, Simba is used for Downtown Disney parking, so worst case scenario, the lot fills up faster and there is a little less capacity for hourly parking....or like I said above, reallocate some of Stitch parking back for DTD in the interim.
I'm not sure if the EGW garage will be accommodating DTD parking or not. Not sure what their long-term goal is for DTD parking and if they expect people to park in the EGW garage and Toy Story/Pixar Pals or if they will build new garages closer to DTD like in the purple boxes I put in this post:
The Downtown Disney Thread
Or somebody just went to Cedar Point. Put the signage of the first photo together with the restroom picture, and that's basically what they built at Downtown Disney: Not if you consider they put the same signage on the Coffee Shop at DLH - Just because other parks or whatever have used the...
chadwpalm
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Yeah, but the question is.....do we want our Avatar land to be bigger and better?
Misted Compass
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Another change between the original and current plans is that security likely won't be relocated due to the bridge plans now allowing access to Harbor (which I remember being talked about in the DLForward thread).
Bill Cipher
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- In the Parks
- Yes
I know they can't exactly pick up and move rides around the world, but if this is indeed going into the Backlot it would be nice to see DCA's Monsters Inc ride or some iteration of it come to DHS to supplement the new coaster. Lord knows that park needs more small/family experiences.
Sidebar but as a FL native I fly out for my first ever trip to DLR tomorrow! Looking forward to seeing everything in person finally.
Sidebar but as a FL native I fly out for my first ever trip to DLR tomorrow! Looking forward to seeing everything in person finally.
BrianLo
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So I am wandering around the backlot like a crazy person and I’m now convinced that studio 12 is represented in the plans as a reused structure and that’s where the boundaries of the land are. I really do think Hyperion is staying. The Animation building is staying (it’s still in the Avnegers artwork, but projects don’t really communicate)
The little extra window bit disruption of the crescent shape is actually just a fake facade and not part of the actual building. You can see so on google earth.
But the schmoozies false facades are going and will be repurposed as some sort of dual sided berm.
The little extra window bit disruption of the crescent shape is actually just a fake facade and not part of the actual building. You can see so on google earth.
But the schmoozies false facades are going and will be repurposed as some sort of dual sided berm.
mickEblu
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Don’t worry about it. If anyone is in the Hollywood Backlot long enough to notice you re acting like a crazy person they re just as “crazy” as you or also just came back from D23 and know exactly what you’re doing.
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mickEblu
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Haha No I think we just walk through a portal same way we do with Galaxies Edge from Frontierland with no explanation. Just not as meandering of a path.
Disney Irish
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Agreed, I don't think there will be much of any tie into California at all, unless they just say the portal to Pandora is located in California.