dstrawn9889
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standing water in low spots on top of the pour
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It appears that there is a concrete pumping truck getting ready to do a foundation pour on the main building. The light areas are mounds of crushed rock, to use as a footing under heavy parts of the foundation (ie: where the piers/posts will go). The darker areas are just dirt. From the way they're constructing the building, there is going to be quite the distribution of weight across the floor.
You can see the same treatment underneath what will most likely be the exterior mountains for the Soarin' style ride. The southeast portion of the footing has already been poured and looks to already have the temporary exterior framework removed.
Great job Scott, as always. I can't even fathom the cost of your camera equipment.
Tom
Beta Return
Anyone have any ideas as to where eating service location/s may be? The only thing that is clearly identifiable is the simulator show building and a general idea as to where the boat ride is.
The other thing that stands out to me is how close the simulator show building butts up against the perimeter. I will be surprised if the back of the building has any theming. Then again I don't know much about projects like this so what do I know. We need some expertise. Paging @Tom.
I've been wondering the same thing. My gut tells me the back of the show building will be themed, since it will be seen by all guests coming into the lot.
That does actually happen from time to time on construction projects of this scale. A few stars and planets have to align just right for it to work out, but when they do, keeping an existing facility running is a much better and often less expensive option than the bank of port o lets.
RayTheFirefly
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Just curious, why do you doubt that they'd rebuild the bathrooms? It seems like it would be similarly cost effective to build new ones than to remodel existing ones. In the grand scheme of things, building a bathroom would be a tiny fraction of the cost of this whole project. I only say this from experience working with contractors (mostly on blighted/dilapidated buildings, so I realize this is a different situation) who would rather demolish and rebuild than to try and save/fix a dated structure (unless it's historical/worth saving, of course).
Rob562
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But we're talking about Disney here... If it can be reused it will be, especially if it means not having to relocate utilities like water and sewer. Unless the blue-sky plans were so vastly different that they had no choice but to move them, I'm sure someone said "you see this set of bathrooms here? Keep it there and build around it".
One of the reasons why the Dinorama section of Dinoland will be so easy to clear out and replace (if they ever come to their senses) is because there are no restrooms within the boundary of Dinorama (delineated by the "road" that runs by it). They're either in the Chester & Hester gift shop building or the ones adjacent to the Nemo theater.
-Rob
If they can work the existing building interior in to the plans, why rebuild the bathrooms? They're not even 17 years old
In home construction, the most expensive (per sq ft) and time consuming parts of the build are related to the kitchen and bathrooms. If you've got adequate plumbing for the job at hand, don't redo the work just to redo it. The question for whether they go or stay are related to capacity. Can the existing bathrooms handle the peak load from all the guests? My money says they can't, not without being expanded.I'm sure this tile will fit perfectly with the Pandora theme.
http://www.mouseplanet.info/gallery/d/162703-1/Bathroom Title.jpg
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RayTheFirefly
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I guess I didn't mean relocate rather than build a new structure in the existing spot. Basically, tearing down and rebuilding in that spot would be a very negligible difference in cost than remodeling, and with a new structure, you have less maintenance, fewer piping/plumbing problems, etc. Of course, that building isn't that old so I guess my point is moot.
RayTheFirefly
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Haha, yeah, I agree. I guess I'm looking from experience dealing with extremely old structures (I live in New Orleans), so 17 years is pretty new. Although, the expensive/time consuming part doesn't really apply to this project IMO, considering the enormous costs that go into rides and floating mountains as compared to a little bathroom.If they can work the existing building interior in to the plans, why rebuild the bathrooms? They're not even 17 years old
I'm sure this tile will fit perfectly with the Pandora theme.
http://www.mouseplanet.info/gallery/d/162703-1/Bathroom Title.jpg
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GoofGoof
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I don't see them designing a half billion dollar new land around keeping an existing bathroom. If there is one thing Disney does right it's bathrooms. Look at the Tangled toilets. Those were completely relocated from the existing bathrooms next to Pan and elaborately themed. The only way I think they would keep the existing bathrooms would be if they happen to fall in an area where the plans called for new bathrooms anyway. If that area was going to be a restaurant/merchandise area anyway they might have just kept them. They may also end up with a second bathroom area within the main show building. I can't imagine having just 1 bathroom for the entire land considering the next closest would be across a bridge and into the next land.
doctornick
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Yep. 1 cubic foot of water weighs almost 62.5 lbs. A quick overlay of the new photos on Google Earth gives us a 210x100ft show building (at the widest point, so my next figures are off). If it were filled with 18" of water that's 31,500 cubic feet of water. Or just under 2 million pounds of water.
roj2323
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to give you an idea:
Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon and it takes 7.48052 gallons of water to fill one cubic foot of space. this means each cubic foot of water weighs 62.38 pounds. Thats 561.48 pounds just for a 3ft by 3ft area 1ft deep. In addition to this, the support structure as well as the people riding the attraction need to be accounted for. This is no small undertaking but it is reasonable when you realize the effective weight per sq foot is only around 200-300 pounds and concrete easily can hold 5,000 pounds per square inch or more depending on the mix. Basically what I'm getting at is yes water flumes provide an engineering challenge but it's not an overwhelming one.
I think we speak the same language and it's called engineer. Ha!
RayTheFirefly
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That's what all the pilings were for. Remember when all they did for months and months was drive pilings? If they could build this
on the muck that Louisiana calls ground (which I assure you is poorer soil consistency than LBV), then they can easily build a flume ride in Florida.
Well yeah, the Orleans Parish by surface area is made up of almost 12% of a soil classified as 'clovely muck', 10% 'sharkey clay' and 9% 'lafitte muck'. What do you expect to get from millions of years of erosion?
It is a good example of human ingenuity though.
RayTheFirefly
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I grew up in the adjacent burbs of NOLA, and as a small kid, my pet rabbit died, and my dad said we could bury it in the backyard. Well, after digging about a foot and a half into the "ground," the hole filled up with water and started to spill into the backyard. Made for an interesting funeral!
I quickly learned that my hometown's land is basically a little bit of mud floating on top of water.
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Most of Florida matches that description.I grew up in the adjacent burbs of NOLA, and as a kid, my pet rabbit died, and my dad said we could bury it in the backyard. Well, after digging about a foot and a half into the "ground," the hole filled up with water and started to spill into the backyard. Made for an interesting funeral!
I quickly learned that my hometown's land is basically a little bit of mud floating on top of water.
RayTheFirefly
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Parts of it do, particularly the very southern parts, but most other parts of it have a sandier soil consistency that sit atop porous limestone reserves (hence all of the sinkholes). It's similar, but still not the same.Most of Florida matches that description.