At Disney, Mission: Space spurs most complaints

[WDWFREAK53]

There are 8 zillion warnings. People getting sick is not an "issue" to resolve. People who can't take that type of ride should listen to the warnings and not ride. If 12 million people have ridden so far and even lets say 2000 have gotten sick that is still only 0.017%.

Answer me this...how do you expect people to listen to the warnings if they don't understand the warnings?

Maybe this is where there is a gap in the communication. This latest lady was from Germany...maybe she couldn't understand the English warnings. The first was a small child that had an undetected heart condition...so, maybe that was a fluke that couldn't have changed. But, the fact of the matter is...he didn't die on any other ride...so...Mission:Space is linked. LINKED...not necessarily the CAUSE.

 

[GothMickey]

Tir, I respect that as a CM you acknowledge M:S is a problem attraction that Disney needs to reconsider....

And all you M:S apologists, your argument is becoming more and more weak.. Time to give it up and admit M:S is a dangerous ride that Disney miscalculated the problems...

 

[GothMickey]

Resolve what issue? People get sick on intense rides all the time. If I don't take dramamine, I feel sick on tower of terror. The claustrophobia probably intensifies the feeling as people panic.

MISSION SPACE IS NOT KILLING PEOPLE. If the same people went on Expedition Everest (which has some pretty good forces) or Rock 'n Rollercoaster (which has the most intense G force of any ride in Florida) and then died should we close those too?

There are 8 zillion warnings. People getting sick is not an "issue" to resolve. People who can't take that type of ride should listen to the warnings and not ride. If 12 million people have ridden so far and even lets say 2000 have gotten sick that is still only 0.017%.

Before you start crunching numbers again... You do not know the ACTUAL number of people who got sick on thew ride.. There are 10 REPORTED SERIOUS ILLNESSES, 143 REPORTED MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.. How many others got sick after the ride and never reported it.. For all you know the number could be 200,000... You don't know... So, stop putting numbers out there.. It just makes your argument more weak....

 

[spoodles]

And all you M:S apologists, your argument is becoming more and more weak.. Time to give it up and admit M:S is a dangerous ride that Disney miscalculated the problems...

OK. No more opinions please, GothMickey has spoken.

 

[SpongeScott]

OK. No more opinions please, GothMickey has spoken.

He sounds eerily similiar to Merlin and EE. :brick:

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Before you start crunching numbers again... You do not know the ACTUAL number of people who got sick on thew ride.. There are 10 REPORTED SERIOUS ILLNESSES, 143 REPORTED MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.. How many others got sick after the ride and never reported it.. For all you know the number could be 200,000... You don't know... So, stop putting numbers out there.. It just makes your argument more weak....

That's just it...Everybody I ask or mention Mission:Space to has said to me that they didn't feel right afterwards, got sick, or it happened to somebody in their party. If it didn't have a huge number of sicknesses, they would've NEVER added those "Space-sickness" bags.

That being said, I'll say it again...I'm one of M:S's biggest fans...I love it and make it a point to go on it more than once per trip. Something about this attraction isn't jiving though.

 

[Pongo]

Tir, I respect that as a CM you acknowledge M:S is a problem attraction that Disney needs to reconsider....

And all you M:S apologists, your argument is becoming more and more weak.. Time to give it up and admit M:S is a dangerous ride that Disney miscalculated the problems...

I'm not trying to be a M:S apologist. But I'm also not saying that the deaths weren't linked. I think it's obvious that they were.

But I don't believe that because they were linked makes M:S a dangerous ride, at least for everyone.

M:S is dangerous for those under certain physical circumstances. Space Mountain is dangerous for freakishly tall persons. PhilharMagic is dangerous for people allergic to the smell (one of whom I've met, who found out the hard way).

For some rides, the dangers are made clear. For M:S, the average guest doesn't know what their up against until they're riding it. I think the best solution to make (most) everyone happy is not toning it down or taking it away, but simply showing more than just a brief video of how the ride works right before you step into the centrifuge. Anything, a model, a diagram, a blurb in the guidemap. People just need to know how the ride works before they ride it.

 

[stuallan]

since 141 out of the 143 that neeeded treatment survivied, maybe the media should do a piece on how mission space actually saved their life by leading to an undedected potentially fatal condition being spoted.
(yes i know this will never happen)

IMO while it is a very intense ride, i dont think calls for it to be toned down or even shut down are correct. Yes disney has warnings at other rides but no other ride has as many warnings as MS, this should discourage more people to give it a miss but i guess disney will need to add "an extra spoonfull" of warnings before people will listen, i think a combination of a live CM explaining a video with actual ride footage would be best.

BTW i rode MS numerious times last summer without feeling any bad after affects.

stuart

 

[EpcotServo]

Oh my goodness...did anyone get the paper this article is in? It has a picture of a women sitting outside M:S and under it says,
"Alet Laubscher of Nambia rests Thursday after riding Mission: Space, which she did not like. "It was the worst experience of my life," she said. "The takeoff, I felt like my soul left my body. I prayed to God it would stop. I thought, "if this is the end, then just take me to him now."
:dazzle: Looks like someone went to the school of overacting to get their five seconds of fame. I know you may think this is a joke, but I wish I could say it was. I laughed so hard when I read that caption. Oh, and another little picture shows a diagram of the ride system and says "The cabin can roll 360 degrees." That's slander if I ever saw it.

 

[GothMickey]

He sounds eerily similiar to Merlin and EE. :brick:

I don't resort to cheap shots but this statement is really stupid. This is a typical reaction from you "regulars" against a person who does not agree with you.... You right away blame them or accuse them of being a banned memebr hoping Steve comes here and agrees with you and bans them too... That way you can get rid of another person who isn't one of your followers... Steve knows better...

Back to topic..... The numbers will continue to rise because of this ride and sooner or laer Disney is going to have to do something... Maybe they won't shut the ride down, but there will be some sort of change... My feeling and opinion is there will be a toning down of the ride, especially if there are a lot more complaints this summer about illness, god forbid another death.

 

[Computer Magic]

That's just it...Everybody I ask or mention Mission:Space to has said to me that they didn't feel right afterwards, got sick, or it happened to somebody in their party. If it didn't have a huge number of sicknesses, they would've NEVER added those "Space-sickness" bags.

That being said, I'll say it again...I'm one of M:S's biggest fans...I love it and make it a point to go on it more than once per trip. Something about this attraction isn't jiving though.

I totally agree with your assessment. I really enjoyed the ride, but have no plans to ride it again.

My wife and I was disoriented after the ride. It didn't last long, just coming out of the tunnel and a walk to Test Track.

 

[GothMickey]

OK. No more opinions please, GothMickey has spoken.

Now kneel before the Goth King LoL...

 

[Computer Magic]

Originally Posted by WDWFREAK53
Scott...

If you weren't a Disney aficianado...and knew nothing about Mission:Space, would you know what your body was about to go through?

Aside from that little CG video loop, there is nowhere that tells you what the ride system is like. Most people know if they can handle a rollercoaster...if they can't...they can see that it's a rollercoaster and steer clear. Tower of Terror has the opening doors and you can physically see the car drop. Soarin' isn't an issue because it doesn't put any stress or forces on the body.

Maybe if the guests were actually aware and could see what they were about to strap their bodies into...they'd be able to make a more educated decision on whether they should ride it or not.

Also...videos and images break down the language barrier

Like those washing machines where you can look in and see the clothes tumbling around. Just add the look of and :hurl:

:lol: :lookaroun

 

[SpongeScott]

I don't resort to cheap shots but this statement is really stupid. This is a typical reaction from you "regulars" against a person who does not agree with you.... You right away blame them or accuse them of being a banned memebr hoping Steve comes here and agrees with you and bans them too... That way you can get rid of another person who isn't one of your followers... Steve knows better...

Back to topic..... The numbers will continue to rise because of this ride and sooner or laer Disney is going to have to do something... Maybe they won't shut the ride down, but there will be some sort of change... My feeling and opinion is there will be a toning down of the ride, especially if there are a lot more complaints this summer about illness, god forbid another death.

1. not a cheap shot, an opinionated observation. Others feel the same way.
2. no blame or accusation was given.
3. If I don't like what you said, I'll report it to Steve via the bad post option.
4. I have no followers nor do I have a desire to "get rid" of anyone.
5. You're right--I think something will be done to change M:S; what, I don't know.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Oh my goodness...did anyone get the paper this article is in? It has a picture of a women sitting outside M:S and under it says,
"Alet Laubscher of Nambia rests Thursday after riding Mission: Space, which she did not like. "It was the worst experience of my life," she said. "The takeoff, I felt like my soul left my body. I prayed to God it would stop. I thought, "if this is the end, then just take me to him now."
:dazzle: Looks like someone went to the school of overacting to get their five seconds of fame. I know you may think this is a joke, but I wish I could say it was. I laughed so hard when I read that caption. Oh, and another little picture shows a diagram of the ride system and says "The cabin can roll 360 degrees." That's slander if I ever saw it.

Wow...that's an extreme if I've ever read it :lol:

Actually, I'm not positive but I think the cabin CAN roll 360 degrees but never does in the attraction.

 

[GothMickey]

I'm not trying to be a M:S apologist. But I'm also not saying that the deaths weren't linked. I think it's obvious that they were.

But I don't believe that because they were linked makes M:S a dangerous ride, at least for everyone.

M:S is dangerous for those under certain physical circumstances. Space Mountain is dangerous for freakishly tall persons. PhilharMagic is dangerous for people allergic to the smell (one of whom I've met, who found out the hard way).

For some rides, the dangers are made clear. For M:S, the average guest doesn't know what their up against until they're riding it. I think the best solution to make (most) everyone happy is not toning it down or taking it away, but simply showing more than just a brief video of how the ride works right before you step into the centrifuge. Anything, a model, a diagram, a blurb in the guidemap. People just need to know how the ride works before they ride it.

I do truly enjoy your posts and your posts make the most sense out of anyone who likes M:S.. You don't attack the people who ride it... However, there is one thing I want to point out in this post, in all due respect of course... You said M:S is not for the average person.. Well, how cn you, Disney, or anyone else determine the average person?? I'm an average person, so are you.. We are not inhuman.. In fact, ever member of this board is the average person... The best solution is to put guests through the same stress tests astronauts go through while training.. And that cannot happen in Disney.. SO what is Disney to do?? Leave open a ride that has more complaints about illness in 2 years than other rides have had in 30??? Let more bad press about the park come out, continue blaming the guests which in turn COULD alienate the people they are trying to bring to the park??? Have more people get sick or die as a result of the ride aggravating an unknown condition and receive more and more bad press which would sooner or later lead to the public not going on MS?? Disney has a problem on their hands with M:S, one they cannot just sweep under the rug and make it go away..... Cause as long as this ride operates, more people will get sick, sooner or later another will die as the result, more bad press will hit the media, and then what???

Worst case scenario: this happens to one of your family memebrs... Then how would you feel?? Would your family member be STUPID or would you want to sue Disney for negligence??? I hope all of you and your families remain safe on this ride... I don't wish bad on anyone... But, think about it if it happens to you or one of your own.... Then how would you feel??

 

[SpongeScott]

Oh my goodness...did anyone get the paper this article is in? It has a picture of a women sitting outside M:S and under it says,
"Alet Laubscher of Nambia rests Thursday after riding Mission: Space, which she did not like. "It was the worst experience of my life," she said. "The takeoff, I felt like my soul left my body. I prayed to God it would stop. I thought, "if this is the end, then just take me to him now."
:dazzle: Looks like someone went to the school of overacting to get their five seconds of fame. I know you may think this is a joke, but I wish I could say it was. I laughed so hard when I read that caption. Oh, and another little picture shows a diagram of the ride system and says "The cabin can roll 360 degrees." That's slander if I ever saw it.

see if you can track this down somehow. Your info is a little off. Alet is the writer of an article that is in the L.A. Times.

Epcot Attraction Reopens After Woman's Death

By Alet Laubscher, Scott Powers and Beth Kassab, Orlando Sentinel
April 14, 2006

 

[GothMickey]

1. not a cheap shot, an opinionated observation. Others feel the same way.
2. no blame or accusation was given.
3. If I don't like what you said, I'll report it to Steve via the bad post option.
4. I have no followers nor do I have a desire to "get rid" of anyone.
5. You're right--I think something will be done to change M:S; what, I don't know.

Well sorry to disappoint you and the others but I am not this Merlin or this EEnor any other banned member of this board... In fact, if I recall, I was a member of this board before Merlin was banned... I do remember reading the thread in which caused his banning.... And at least we do agree that somethign will be done with M:S... Like I said, I doubt they will close it... But they will do something....

 

[SpongeScott]

Well sorry to disappoint you and the others but I am not this Merlin or this EEnor any other banned member of this board... In fact, if I recall, I was a member of this board before Merlin was banned... I do remember reading the thread in which caused his banning.... And at least we do agree that somethign will be done with M:S... Like I said, I doubt they will close it... But they will do something....

I know you're not Merlin. Just sounds like Merlin when he was so adamant with E:E.

And again, we agree. I also doubt they will close it.

Where we disagree is that M:S is a dangerous ride. Not anymore dangerous than any other thrill ride that puts intense pressure on a person's body. The difference is that someone will probably heed the warnings of a coaster rather than a ride that "just spins".

 

[Pongo]

I do truly enjoy your posts and your posts make the most sense out of anyone who likes M:S.. You don't attack the people who ride it... However, there is one thing I want to point out in this post, in all due respect of course... You said M:S is not for the average person.. Well, how cn you, Disney, or anyone else determine the average person?? I'm an average person, so are you.. We are not inhuman.. In fact, ever member of this board is the average person... The best solution is to put guests through the same stress tests astronauts go through while training.. And that cannot happen in Disney.. SO what is Disney to do?? Leave open a ride that has more complaints about illness in 2 years than other rides have had in 30??? Let more bad press about the park come out, continue blaming the guests which in turn COULD alienate the people they are trying to bring to the park??? Have more people get sick or die as a result of the ride aggravating an unknown condition and receive more and more bad press which would sooner or later lead to the public not going on MS?? Disney has a problem on their hands with M:S, one they cannot just sweep under the rug and make it go away..... Cause as long as this ride operates, more people will get sick, sooner or later another will die as the result, more bad press will hit the media, and then what???

Luckily, I'm not the one making that decision. I think Disney has a long road filled with hard choices to make regarding this ride. I just hope they make it clear that M:S is not a ride for everyone. Period.