At Disney, Mission: Space spurs most complaints

[speck76]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Speck, I know the stats...but my question is...when do we stop looking at stats and saying "You're more likely to die in a car" blah blah and start looking at trying to resolve the issue?

Which issue.....?

The previous death was due to an existing condition.....I would bet this one will be too.

Should the responsibility be on Disney to pre-screen riders for potential health issues, or on the riders to know what they can and can not physically handle?

 

[EpcotServo]

see if you can track this down somehow. Your info is a little off. Alet is the writer of an article that is in the L.A. Times.

That's weird! The only mention of that name in the paper edition is in that caption. This is weird... I quoted the paper exactly.
EDIT: Ok, I found her article about Mission: Space in the L.A. Times. Sure enough, it's the same name of this person in the photo. Don't trust what you read in the Orlando Sentinel...

 

[GothMickey]

Which issue.....?

The previous death was due to an existing condition.....I would bet this one will be too.

Should the responsibility be on Disney to pre-screen riders for potential health issues, or on the riders to know what they can and can not physically handle?

if doctors cannot always find a health issue with someone, how can Disney? And how can a rider know what they can handle or not?? I cannot handle flying and the turbulance, yet I was able to handle Soarin and M:S.... One of my friends couldn't handle M:S and got sick, but was fine an Soarin and the other coasters... So, how can one know exactly??? Just because one suffers from motion sickness does not mean this ride will be a harm to them.... Better to be safe that sorry and not ride... I don't know my limitations with thrill rides... But I know I cannot fly on a plane, so I don't... I do agree that responsiblity lies on the guest, if they know they have a problem.... But where does the responsibility lie with those guess who do not know??? Disney or the guest??? I would say maybe both.. The guest for knowing there is a great chance of getting sick even in good health and Disney for creating such an attraction that puts the body under extreme pressure... And Six Flags and Universal, and other theme/amusemnt parks for that matter...

 

[GothMickey]

That's weird! The only mention of that name in the paper edition is in that caption. This is weird... I quoted the paper exactly.
EDIT: Ok, I found her article about Mission: Space in the L.A. Times. Sure enough, it's the same name of this person in the photo. Don't trust what you read in the Orlando Sentinel...

Can you post that picture and article some how?? I would love to see it.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Which issue.....?

The previous death was due to an existing condition.....I would bet this one will be too.

Should the responsibility be on Disney to pre-screen riders for potential health issues, or on the riders to know what they can and can not physically handle?

Oh, I have no doubt that this death was due to a previous condition much like the previous one.

Pre-screening riders would take way too long...and signing waivers would also be a major deterent and a huge media nightmare for Disney. I think it is a little of both though. Disney needs to make people aware just what they are in store for...and people need to be aware of their limits.

 

[SpongeScott]

Oh, I have no doubt that this death was due to a previous condition much like the previous one.

Pre-screening riders would take way too long...and signing waivers would also be a major deterent and a huge media nightmare for Disney. I think it is a little of both though. Disney needs to make people aware just what they are in store for...and people need to be aware of their limits.

I'm gonna predict that Disney comes out with even stronger warnings about the ride and that will be about the extent of it. I still like your idea about a video of the actual ride too.

 

[SpongeScott]

And what about all the people that did understand the warnings, but chose to ride anyway and got sick? Where does their responsibility lie?

If they knew of a pre-existing condition, then the fault lies with them. If they didn't know, it's an unfortunate accident--neither party should be at fault.

 

[Sloan]

Life can be dangerous (for now)

I think the idea of letting people know what they are 'getting in to' is a good one, but I already feel over-protected by society, and don't want this ride or anything else in life 'toned down' any more than everything already has been.

I regret that people have died after riding M:S, but I don't want that to translate in to my not being able to enjoy it again in the future. I see repeated refererences to a "very intense ride" but it's really not. 2g's, even sustained 2g's (and the M:S g's are not really sustained very long at all) is not very much at all for a normal, healthy person. Does EVERYTHING need to be suitable for EVERYONE? No - I don't think so.

Dinsey is a faimily oriented park, but that does not mean that every ride should be suitable for the todller, grandma, or people with health problems. I think the attitude expressed by the "they gotta shut it down" guy in the OP-article sums up why I'm on this rant - I don't need or want his judgment (based on his personal bad experience) to limit what I get to enjoy in life.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

And what about all the people that did understand the warnings, but chose to ride anyway and got sick? Where does their responsibility lie?

IMHO, it's Disney's responsibility to provide all of its guests with as much knowledge about attractions and the safety warnings of their attractions as possible.

After the knowledge has been given to the guest, if the guest is fully aware of the consequences that could come out of their actions, it is then up to the guest and out of Disney's hands as to what they decide to do.

With other rides (aside from Soarin' and Star Tours), it is pretty known what the operation of the attraction is just by a description or from plain sight. (Even Soarin' shows actual video of the ride "vehicles" lifting off of the ground and into position).

Let's look at the "Thrills" in WDW.
Space Mountain (clearly states that it is a rollercoaster in the warnings)
Thunder Mountain (you can see that it's a rollercoaster)
Splash Mountain (you can clearly see that it is a flume-type attraction with a large drop)
Tower of Terror (you can see that it's a ride that drops you 13 stories)
Rock n Rollercoaster (if you can't understand that this may possibly be a rollercoaster...hehe, and, it also states in the warnings that it is a rollercoaster with multiple inversions)
Star Tours doesn't really either. (that I am aware of)
Test Track...you can see the cars flying around on the outside track.
Soarin'...already talked about.
Dinosaur...shows video of the ride vehicle at it's worst point.
Everest...you can see that it's a coaster.
Kali...you can see that it's a water rapid ride.

Mission:Space...??? It says that it's a spinning ride (so is Dumbo, the Teacups, etc.)

This is my point.

 

[dxwwf3]

Well at M:S there are computer renderings of what will happen on the outside when the ride begins. And it does show how it spins. This is right before you enter the capsule. Unfortunately most guests seem to chatter on during this and never pay attention to what's going on.

But maybe a more in depth description would be helpful. But I do think that guests are shown what will happen as far as the outside operation goes.

 

[GothMickey]

WDWFREAK... Great point...

Did you ever take into consideration that in the back of Disney's minds, (and by that I mean the managers, decision makers, and Imagineers) that they purposely do not show what the ride entails because if they did, they knew the attendance for this ride would be a lot less than it is now??? By saying it is a spinning ride is misleading and therefore leads guests to think it is a hub and spoke ride like Dumbo... which will cause attendance to go up and then the 100 million plus that was spent would then be worth it..

Disney needs to do more to inform their guests of the potential hazards that wait them... They fail in this.. The warning signs are not enough, that is evident already....

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Well at M:S there are computer renderings of what will happen on the outside when the ride begins. And it does show how it spins. This is right before you enter the capsule. Unfortunately most guests seem to chatter on during this and never pay attention to what's going on.

But maybe a more in depth description would be helpful. But I do think that guests are shown what will happen as far as the outside operation goes.

Yes, it does...but, do people know, what they're even looking at? They need to have actual footage...not some little CG rendering of it. If you didn't know what the pods looked like, you'd never know what they were showing.

 

[EpcotServo]

Can you post that picture and article some how?? I would love to see it.

I'll try, but I can't right now.

 

[dxwwf3]

They need to have actual footage...not some little CG rendering of it. If you didn't know what the pods looked like, you'd never know what they were showing.

I agree. Maybe that is something they will try. However, I think this is pretty clear if you are paying attention:

 

[wdwishes2005]

"The ride itself? It was wild. It was dizzy. They had puke bags. I would never have gotten on it if I knew it had puke bags. They give you warnings and stuff, but all the rides have warnings," Borne said. "This thing, they gotta close it down."

what an idiot. that's like saying because of 1 car wreck we should ban cars.....

 

[timoteo]

Yes, it does...but, do people know, what they're even looking at? They need to have actual footage...not some little CG rendering of it. If you didn't know what the pods looked like, you'd never know what they were showing.

Since the story is mission "training" It might of helped to actually pass by glass walls that show the operation of the ride itself. I would love to see that. I think it would of added to the story also it would have completely weeded out people who hate spining and those who can take a little would perhaps remember what thay saw in terms of speed and operation and thought "were not going that fast". I say add glass walls to show guests what they are about to do.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I agree. Maybe that is something they will try. However, I think this is pretty clear if you are paying attention:

But now you're trying to see what the ride is like by looking at a CG model...with writing all over it...with the image/video in the background.
To the lay-person that isn't paying 100% attention to each little video screen, this may come to look just like a spinning part for theming.

I understand that it's there...but it's not exactly that clear. On more than one occassion, I had to point out that it was actually what WE would be doing, to people in my group.

Now, look at that picture...can you tell that the ride system is being depicted there? (I know the shot is blurry)

 

[dxwwf3]

But now you're trying to see what the ride is like by looking at a CG model...with writing all over it...with the image/video in the background.
To the lay-person that isn't paying 100% attention to each little video screen, this may come to look just like a spinning part for theming.

I understand that it's there...but it's not exactly that clear. On more than one occassion, I had to point out that it was actually what WE would be doing, to people in my group.

I do agree with you and I hope this is something they will make changes to.

But I also think part of the problem is what I bolded. And unfortunately Disney can't do anything about that.

 

[kiawahman]

if you get sick that's not the ride's fault. compare to a high speed rollercoaster and MS is a walk in the park.

 

[dxwwf3]

compare to a high speed rollercoaster and MS is a walk in the park.

I feel the same way, but unfortunately that isn't how some people are going to think of the attraction now after reading all the press. I just hope that people that should ride the attraction (and would probably really enjoy it) aren't turned off by all of this.