Here's the link to that: http://www.wesh.com/news/13227121/detail.html
Again, who lets their young children play by a pool without supervision? If you do, this is what can happen.
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Associated Press: Man accused of videotaping, molesting girl at Disney pool
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Here's the link to that: http://www.wesh.com/news/13227121/detail.html
Again, who lets their young children play by a pool without supervision? If you do, this is what can happen.
SpongeScott
Well-Known Member
A tragic situation indeed.
Looks like the parents could have exercised better supervision of their daughter and they unfortunately will have learned a hard lesson.
That being said, God forbid that people on here harping on the parents would ever make a parenting mistake, even if they are parents. Things happen and things can happen quickly to where you cannot be protective of your children 100% of the time. You do the best you can, you do what you think is right, but nothing is foolproof.
He who is without sin can cast the first stone.
Looks like the parents could have exercised better supervision of their daughter and they unfortunately will have learned a hard lesson.
That being said, God forbid that people on here harping on the parents would ever make a parenting mistake, even if they are parents. Things happen and things can happen quickly to where you cannot be protective of your children 100% of the time. You do the best you can, you do what you think is right, but nothing is foolproof.
He who is without sin can cast the first stone.
Also here's another story: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...,6944750.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-orange
That explains why the guy wasn't lynched by whoever saw him. Kudos to that kid for knowing to tell an adult right away.
That explains why the guy wasn't lynched by whoever saw him. Kudos to that kid for knowing to tell an adult right away.
AEfx
Well-Known Member
Good research, LOL. Makes me feel better that a) the kid did the right thing, and b) people weren't just watching this horrible thing happen.
AEfx
Really, so its never o.k. to criticize or correct someone? Even, say for judging?
ANYWAY.
This news is pretty sobering. If these parents let their kids go to the pool while they were in the room, lesson learned by the rest of us?
PintoColvig
Active Member
I am willing to hold myself to the same standard as I hold others to in situations like this. If something like this would have happened to one of my children, regardless of the situation, I would blame myself first and foremost and would bear the guilt of it to my dying day.
Here's how I see it. As a parent, I am the one that has the responsibility of protecting my children until they are able to protect themselves. Some say, "you can't protect them all of the time" but it is my job to place them only in environments in which they will remain safe or to make sure they are provided proper supervision in less-than-safe environments. My children are counting on me in this because they cannot do it for themselves.
As for this particular situation, the parents removed their child from a (presumably) safer environment and took her to an environment with strangers and potential predators. Yet, they did not provide proper supervision for her. Could someone snatch a child at an instant when the parent's head was turned away? Sure it could happen but that doesn't remove responsibility from the parents for protecting their child. Not trying to harp. It's just my take.
Nevertheless, my heart breaks for this child AND her parents. May we all be reminded that there are sickos out there, even at WDW.
SpongeScott
Well-Known Member
To your first statement, I'll ask what others have asked: how many children have you raised or are in the process of raising? Sure, you can correct someone, but how can you or I sit here and judge someone for what happened when we essentially know very little of the details or circumstances that led to the molestation of the girl?
As to your second statement, no where has it been stated that the parents were in the room. If so, the parents could face abandonment charges, but this is not the case. "Without supervision" has a huge range of possibilities by the parents. I'm sure they feel bad enough for what happened. All I'm saying is that, as a parent, you can't protect your kids 100% of the time, no matter how hard you try.
SpongeScott
Well-Known Member
Understood and agreed. This is something they will live with for the rest of their lives.
As extreme examples, were the children of 9/11 thought to be safe in the daycares of the WTC? Or the children in the OKC bombing? Is my child completely safe in the passenger seat of my car from a careless driver? No matter how hard I try or what I may do, things still can happen.
And again, agreed. It looks as though they did not take all the precautions they could have taken and a tragedy occured. May all of us learn from it and as you said, let's remember that even awful people visit/prey at WDW.As for this particular situation, the parents removed their child from a (presumably) safer environment and took her to an environment with strangers and potential predators. Yet, they did not provide proper supervision for her. Could someone snatch a child at an instant when the parent's head was turned away? Sure it could happen but that doesn't remove responsibility from the parents for protecting their child. Not trying to harp. It's just my take.
Nevertheless, my heart breaks for this child AND her parents. May we all be reminded that there are sickos out there, even at WDW.
jmvd20
Well-Known Member
Exactly - no matter how much we try as parents we are not perfect. Mistakes can, and unfortunately do happen, even to people with the best of intentions. To think that something like this could never happen to us and that we are in complete control is just absurd. I bet many parents felt that something like this could never happen to their child - and then it did.
It is a horrible and unfortunate incident. I still think the blame and second guessing needs to be directed at the appropriate place - the pos that did this.
Brant Tosi
New Member
FYI WDW Swan & WDW Dolphin (ARE NOT DISNEY)
I absolutely think that this man should be executed however that aside I dont know why anyone has brought the name DISNEY into this situation
FYI THE WDW SWAN & WDW DOLPHIN are owened by Westin & Sheraton. Hence the WDW and not DISNEY's in front of their proper name (i.e. BCR/SHADES OF GREEN)
Bring it up with them and not Disney
I really need to work for the local media because they get it wrong all the time...
I absolutely think that this man should be executed however that aside I dont know why anyone has brought the name DISNEY into this situation
FYI THE WDW SWAN & WDW DOLPHIN are owened by Westin & Sheraton. Hence the WDW and not DISNEY's in front of their proper name (i.e. BCR/SHADES OF GREEN)
Bring it up with them and not Disney
I really need to work for the local media because they get it wrong all the time...
jmvd20
Well-Known Member
The articles that I saw only stated that was on Disney property but the hotel was not operated by Disney. They had it right - at least the articles that I saw.
Brant Tosi
New Member
Here is the story running in the Orlando Sentinel
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...43007,0,6393903.story?coll=orl-home-headlines
It is not a Disney Pool......Disney lost the land that the WDW Swan and Dolphin is located on whenever they sold the property accidently to two hotel chains.
"A man accused of molesting a girl at a hotel pool on the Walt Disney World property and videotaping the act was being held today, police said.
William Bishop, 61, of Estero, was arrested Friday at the Walt Disney World Swan, which is on the popular park's property but not owned by it. Bishop has been charged with a felony count of lewd or lascivious acts to a minor."
pax_65
Well-Known Member
As I mentioned earlier, I think many of us are reacting the way we are because we've seen so many young children wandering around Disneyworld completely unsupervised. I know I have.
As the father of two young children I can tell you that my kids are carefully supervised when we're in Disneyworld (or any other public place) either by myself, my wife, or another adult family member. I'm not perfect and a "mistake" could happen, but we're going to try very hard to make sure it doesn't.
I think the "hit by car" example is very valid. If I'm holding my child's hand as we cross the street and she pulls her hand out of mine and runs into the street and is hit, that's a mistake - a tragic accident. If my child is running into the street and gets hit and I'm nowhere to be found, that's a different story.
Again, I don't mean to judge the parents. I'm just pointing out that this is a wake up call - we need to watch our kids. If we're traveling with our kids, our vacation is not a vacation from parenting.
Wilt Dasney
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beachclubbasics
New Member
I agree. As a teacher and a parent it disturbs me to no end to see so many parents let their kids run around unsupervised and do dumb things (good example, young kids eating things from the ground) because mom and dad are ignoring the situation. The most annoyed I'd ever been at WDW was when this very thing happened while my family waited in line for Peter Pan's Flight. Sometimes you just want to knock someone in the head..lol.
My kids were always carefully supervised when my dear late husband and I took them anywhere, but we had a sly one who was a quick get-away artist. My now 18 year old loved to run away from us when he was 1 to about 7 years old (he was a preemie and was tiny, but he walked early and ran...FAST) so we had wrist tethers that attached him to one of us when we were out. He's still here thankfully! And thankfully we never lost any of our other kids but there was the time when Mr Slick (the afore mentioned 18 year old) was one, took off from us at the Smithsonian Air and Space museumn and decided to climb into a bi-plane......he was about the size of a 6 month old, but he was determined to fly that plane....lol
My kids are now 25, 19, 18, and almost 13 and they still like to go everywhere with Mom...heck I can't get rid of them (will the 25 year old EVER move out??? lol)..they'll be with me at the Beach Club in August.
kurros
New Member
Anyway, the Walt Disney World Swan is just as much a part of the Walt Disney World Resort as Disney's Boardwalk Inn next door. The fact that Westin operates the resort isn't important.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Not really trying to help my argument rather than gauge your experience in raising children. And while they may be called the terrible twos, they are only just starting, and if you imagine that doubled or trebled........
forgive me if I misunderstood, but I was under the impression that is exactly the tone of your posts. I trust you never have the experience of a child dashing off in a mall, or riding out of the garden on a bike and being hit by a car, or being bitten by a dog while in the park. It would be unpleasant to think of all the people bumping keyboards saying what was sknydave doing?
As for supervision people on this thread have said that they allow their children to do things that could be classed as unsupervised, things that when I was growing up were considered normal. Im sure I wont convince you otherwise, but having had my wife spend a year working on the child abuse unit, i have seen the figures and society is no worse now than the past. The difference is the level of exposure given to the stories and the 24 hour news culture with the need to shock sensationalise and spread fear.
IMHO what is news is where it happened, and the fact that some people are shocked that poo happens regardless.
Thats why I'm paid, to manage risk, its part of life.
sknydave
Active Member
Exactly as I had suspected, and now confirmed by the news, the child was unsupervised in the pool area. I'm very happy that you are part of a CSI Miami unit, but sometimes common sense goes a long way. Maybe I am some kind of super parent in that I refuse to allow my child to be in public areas without myself or his mother with him? I honestly don't understand what your point is anymore?
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Your child is two is it not, perhaps once it gets older you will realise that the needs of a two year old are not the same as an eight, ten twelve or thirteen year old. However I suspect that you'll still be as condescending and still as glayckit. Is letting your child continue to swim in the WL pool while you go to Roaring Forks a problem? At age 2 Id say so at age 12 I wouldn't. Is that any clearer?
On another note I'm glad you can dismiss those who actively have to deal with child abuse first hand as a CSI Miami unit, Im sure Mrs Sak would be glad to tell you the difference, f
or someone aiming for the moral high ground thats a pretty low comment or a sign of your lack of understanding of reality. But Hell your suspicions were confirmed bully for you.