Associated Press: Man accused of videotaping, molesting girl at Disney pool

[WhyteAL]

I agree. I hate to bash the parents at this difficult time - ultimately it's the scumbag's fault first and foremost. But at WDW my kids are never out of my sight unless they are with another adult from my family. And let's be honest... those of us who go to WDW often have seen kids wandering around unattended, misbehaving, or nearly drowning and we've wondered or even asked, "Where are your parents?"

It's funny but last time I was at AKL there was this little girl no bigger than 3-4 who was at the edge inside the pool then she let go and all I saw was her eyes outside of the water I ran pulled her back up and her mom!!!! was like on the other side of the pool yakin away what a dumb ______! The pool wasn't that deep but for 3-4 year old it was deep enough. Anyways back to the point like you pointed out we must make our kids aware of there surroundings and teach them what to do in case of a situation.

**sorry for the consecutive posts but I read the 1pg of the the thread and then posted and strated reading the thread backwards

 

[Nemo14]

It's funny but last time I was at AKL there was this little girl no bigger than 3-4 who was at the edge inside the pool then she let go and all I saw was her eyes outside of the water I ran pulled her back up and her mom!!!! was like on the other side of the pool yakin away what a dumb ______! The pool wasn't that deep but for 3-4 year old it was deep enough. Anyways back to the point like you pointed out we must make our kids aware of there surroundings and teach them what to do in case of a situation.

**sorry for the consecutive posts but I read the 1pg of the the thread and then posted and strated reading the thread backwards

I've told this story before, but my brother was staying at CBR several years ago. He and his wife were at one of the "quiet pools" , where they saw a litttle girl, no more than 2 years old jump into the pool, while her parents just lounged around. My brother jumped in, pulled the baby out of the water, and handed her over to her parents. They never thanked him, never even acknowledged that the child was in danger. He wanted to drown them both!

 

[JustPlainBill]

I've told this story before, but my brother was staying at CBR several years ago. He and his wife were at one of the "quiet pools" , where they saw a litttle girl, no more than 2 years old jump into the pool, while her parents just lounged around. My brother jumped in, pulled the baby out of the water, and handed her over to her parents. They never thanked him, never even acknowledged that the child was in danger. He wanted to drown them both!

This really frosts me, I can never understand how people can be so oblivious when it comes to their kids. Just turning your head and something happening is one thing, my kids weren't allowed near water of any kind unless I was in it with them the first 6 years, just something I picked up from my Mom. Pity the fool that tries anything with my kid, 'cause trust me I won't be far away and I'll be watching.

 

[jmvd20]

Before we start blaming anyone and everyone except for the pervert pedophile responsible for it just think about this. Even if her parents did make a mistake and weren't watching her for a few minutes does anyone think that they will ever out live this incident. Does anyone think that her father will not spend everyday hoping and praying to get a do-over on this one, to be there and strangle this SOB on the spot. Does anyone think that her mother would not trade places to save her daughter from this experience.

We may all sit back and thank god that it was not our child that this happened to. While doing that we may also think that we would always be there to stop something like this from happening to our children - however that is nothing but a pipe dream. Sick people like this could do horrible things to anyones children, smetimes there is no one to blame but the criminal that committed the crime.

Unfortunately it happened, let's not blame WDW, the parents, TV, Universal or anyone else other than the criminal for what hapened. Let's blame the sick pervert that did this this and hope that he gets what's coming to him.

 

[Cole'sMom]

Excellent point, Laura22. I have a 10 month old and I have never left him out of my sight for 1 second when I have him out of my home. Children don't know better at 6 or 8 years old. It is up to the parents to be 100% responsible for your child's actions. I was paranoid when we went to WDW last Septmeber when he was 10 weeks old. Returning in 19 days, we will never let him out of our sight for a split second. Who knows-that pervert could have had candy, a cool souvenir, anything a young child would love to have. Letting your child out of sight around a pool is especially crazy-drownings occur so quickly. There had to have been a time when she was out of an adult's sight, otherwise nothing would have happened. I feel so badly for the poor girl. What is wrong with people these days? I am nervous about Cole growing up!

 

[DisneyDragon]

As a father of two young kids, this crushes me. I feel so bad for the little girl, and I totally agree, both of those parents would probably give a limb for a 'do-over'...but unless his name is Hiro (Heroes ref), time travel ain't possible.

Let's all take this as a warning:
- WDW is pretty safe, but nowhere is perfect. Keep an eye on your kids. Remind others, but do it without inciting paranoia. I can only imagine how CNN might play this up...
- If you see something 'fishy', WDW or elsewhere, step up. An innocent parent will rarely complain, and who knows what you might be stopping.

If that was my kid though, a couple of those lifeguards would have had to hold me back, because I would have crippled him. Even with years of martial arts training, I don't think I would have had the mental restraint. I'm thinking that the surgeons would have been happy that digital camera was on a lanyard so that they could pull it out of 'you know where' more easily.

 

[jmvd20]

Excellent point, Laura22. I have a 10 month old and I have never left him out of my sight for 1 second when I have him out of my home. Children don't know better at 6 or 8 years old. It is up to the parents to be 100% responsible for your child's actions. I was paranoid when we went to WDW last Septmeber when he was 10 weeks old. Returning in 19 days, we will never let him out of our sight for a split second. Who knows-that pervert could have had candy, a cool souvenir, anything a young child would love to have. Letting your child out of sight around a pool is especially crazy-drownings occur so quickly. There had to have been a time when she was out of an adult's sight, otherwise nothing would have happened. I feel so badly for the poor girl. What is wrong with people these days? I am nervous about Cole growing up!

You both have made very good points about the situation. However accidents happen and sometimes things that we think are inside of our control can be taken away in a split second. I still hold by the position that we need to blame the criminals for the crimes, not the victims.

I agree with you that a child should never be out of their parents sight. But can you honestly say that there has never been a time when you got distracted - even for a short time and lost contact with your child(ren)?

It doesn't take long for people like this to snag a child and commit such acts. I would love it if I knew that I could always be there to protect my son, unfortunately I am not perfect and it scares me to death that all it takes is one small mistake for a pedophile, pervert, or kidnapper to hurt them. We can only hope that things like this never happen to anyone - and hope that once caught the criminals are severely punished.

 

[Cole'sMom]

Considering he is 10 months old, I have never left him out of my sight. I guess I feel extra-cautious since I went through so many pregnancy problems-incompetent cervix, 5 months on bedrest, 6 weeks flat on my back in a hospital bed, many more issues than I need to continue with. He was not supposed to be born. He is my everything-as is every child to a parent. Unless my husband is watching him-even then I still have my eye on him . I know what can happen in a split second. I will never, ever let him out of my sight. I am crazy paranoid!:lol:

 

[WhyteAL]

If that was my kid though, a couple of those lifeguards would have had to hold me back, because I would have crippled him. Even with years of martial arts training, I don't think I would have had the mental restraint. I'm thinking that the surgeons would have been happy that digital camera was on a lanyard so that they could pull it out of 'you know where' more easily.

I do martial arts as well (Kung Fu to be exact) and I'm sorry but nor 2 or 3 life guards would have held me. I am blessed though that I have not had that experience.

 

[jmvd20]

Considering he is 10 months old, I have never left him out of my sight. I guess I feel extra-cautious since I went through so many pregnancy problems-incompetent cervix, 5 months on bedrest, 6 weeks flat on my back in a hospital bed, many more issues than I need to continue with. He was not supposed to be born. He is my everything-as is every child to a parent. Unless my husband is watching him-even then I still have my eye on him . I know what can happen in a split second. I will never, ever let him out of my sight. I am crazy paranoid!:lol:

Completely understand, our son is 4 1/2 months old and my wife had some complications with him as well. She hates leaving him for any reason, doesn't matter if he's with me, the grandparents she always wants to be there to protect him. I would like to congratulate you on the birth of your son though! May be a little late but he's still a brand new young one to me!

I guess the thing that gets me about this whole situation is that it only takes one mistake to have something happen. Maybe I am being paranoid as a new parent as well. All I do know is that things like this really do make me sick. I have always felt that way but after becoming a parent the feelings are that much stronger. It is just a sad day when we even have a discussion like this. I will never comprehend nor do I desire to understand how a person can do something like this to someone else - let alone a child.

Maybe being a little paranoid about it isn't a bad thing - I'd do just about anything to prevent something like this from happening to anyones child - not just my own.

 

[Cole'sMom]

Thanks, jmvd20. I agree-having this discussion makes me ill. When I was growing up, you would hear about an occasional abduction/harassment situation, but never as frequently as today. The media has also changed greatly as well-feasting on the negative.

Congratualtions to your family as well! Having a little one is the best. Enjoy every second when they are tiny. Cole is already saying a few words, pulling himself up, and just the other day he got himself into a bent-over position, and stood up by himself, unsupported! He did this for a solid three seconds. My 5 pound baby is growing up!

You will never stop being paranoid. I have no idea how my mom did it with 3 kids. One seems like enough for me!:lol:

 

[hcswingfield]

My mother had 5 children. When the older ones were pre-school, she kept them in a harness and leash when she was out in public, to keep them from wandering off. When the 3 younger ones came along, we had a big sister and big brother who had us by the hand if Mama needed a little help keeping track of us.

 

[smk]

they should just take him out back and shoot him. We need a zero tolerance policy on pedaphiles. No three strikes and your out. No repeat offenders. No leniency of the court. Just get them out of society and out of the gene pool.

Of course that's just my opinion.

I could not agree with you more.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Just a little word of caution to all the self proclaimed perfect parents out there in WDWMagic land, the present Mrs Sak is a specialist pediatric nurse specialising in burns and plastic surgery, most of her customers are victims of tragic accidents, yes some things are avoidable but poo happens, though no doubt some on here would claim these events are a result of bad parenting. :shrug:

We have as a society become scared to let young people live.

 

[sknydave]

If your idea of living is allowing your children to roam public places unsupervised, then yes, I am scared to let young people live.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

If your idea of living is allowing your children to roam public places unsupervised, then yes, I am scared to let young people live.

Oh Im sorry I didnt realise you were in full of the facts of the case, rather than just an internet gossip rushing to pass judgement and claim the moral highground.

And you have no idea what my position is regarding childcare, on reflection the last 6 words werent required.

 

[sknydave]

So basically what you just posted had nothing to do with the thread?

 

[Pabgo]

People are so weird these days!

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

So basically what you just posted had nothing to do with the thread?

I guess your just too sharp for me.

Perhaps thats why your able to judge others via an internet bulletin board.

 

[Lucky]

You both have made very good points about the situation. However accidents happen and sometimes things that we think are inside of our control can be taken away in a split second. I still hold by the position that we need to blame the criminals for the crimes, not the victims.

I agree with you that a child should never be out of their parents sight. But can you honestly say that there has never been a time when you got distracted - even for a short time and lost contact with your child(ren)?

It doesn't take long for people like this to snag a child and commit such acts. I would love it if I knew that I could always be there to protect my son, unfortunately I am not perfect and it scares me to death that all it takes is one small mistake for a pedophile, pervert, or kidnapper to hurt them. We can only hope that things like this never happen to anyone - and hope that once caught the criminals are severely punished.

I agree. We can all cite cases of irresponsible parenting we've observed at WDW or somewhere else. But we don't know whether this was one of them. We don't know the detailed facts, so we have no business judging the parents of the victim.