MyLittleAngels
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As an update to the story, the Sentinel is now reporting that the other driver was a 19 year old man from Winter Garden. My condolences to both families involved ...
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Another fatal crash on WDW property last night.
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The roads can be very confusing there...you have to always be aware. I feel like I'm always being tailed when I am looking for where I need to be going around WDW. Don't know if it's locals or tourists - either way it doesn't matter. I try to be extra careful.
Not to lecture you (and this may not apply to you anyway...but being that you bring it up
) , but people shouldnt be looking around for where they need to be going. they should know where to turn and where to be going before you get on the road. If someone is being tailed and are going under the speed limit - they are just as much as fault as the driver tailing them. Driving way under the speed limit and looking around on the road can be just as reckless and irresponsible as somebody going way above the speed-limit.
whendoweleave?
New Member
it is very sad when anyone gets killed in an accident,no matter who is at fault.
I have learned one thing here in Florida and not just in the tourist areas People drive like nuts down here. I though we in the Philly area drove agressively..... Florida drivers make us Philly people seem like drivers from the safe driving school!!! Honestly its insane down here. that is the only thing i dont miss when i go back home.
I have learned one thing here in Florida and not just in the tourist areas People drive like nuts down here. I though we in the Philly area drove agressively..... Florida drivers make us Philly people seem like drivers from the safe driving school!!! Honestly its insane down here. that is the only thing i dont miss when i go back home.
DisneyChik17
Well-Known Member
Not to lecture you (and this may not apply to you anyway...but being that you bring it up
Actually, they are called limits for a reason. If more people didn't have to go the limit or HIGHER, there would be less accidents like this one. There is no debate over that. They are set for a reason by engineers who take the time to calculate the safest speed to travel the roads.
As for knowing where to go, yes having an idea is wonderful. Knowing it by heart is great, but it is a tourist destination. Many people are not going to know the roads very well and are going to drive slower. Employees, more than anyone, should know this and adjust.
In conclusion, my thoughts are prayers go out to the families affected. It is always sad to lose a loved one, especially one so young.
All states set limits below the recommended speed limit by civil planners and engineers to accomodate safe road conditions while creating an adequate flow of traffic so as not to create backups based on expected quantity of people/vehicles on the road. I'm not one to advocate going over the speed limit, by any means, but it's been proven many times over that going under the speed limit and not keeping up with the flow of traffic can cause as many problems as those speeding (in fact - most states have laws that explicitly state drivers must adhere to the speed limits AND keep up with the flow of traffic around them). Yes - Orlando is a tourist destination and people are bound not to know where to go, but dont hold up traffic or go way below the speed limit due to not knowing where you are. Pull over, study your maps, and then get back on the road. As I live in Orlando - I've seen my share of accidents due to stupidly lost tourists creating road hazards by going both under and above the limit which is why I'm so adamant on the issue of not going too slow or too fast. Alright, I'm stepping off my soapbox now
. Regardless, it was a sad occurence last night, and my thoughts go out to the families.
hardcard
New Member
REgardless of speeds traveled, it is NEVER ok to travel the WRONG DIRECTION down a road way.. which was the cause of this accident, as well as one a few weeks ago..
Unfortunately, it LOOKS as though it was the CM that was in the wrong here now.. I would assume that the '50 year old' was the CM.. and thats means he did something in bad judgement.. doesn't mean anyone 'deserved' what happened.. it makes it all that much more tragic..
Unfortunately, it LOOKS as though it was the CM that was in the wrong here now.. I would assume that the '50 year old' was the CM.. and thats means he did something in bad judgement.. doesn't mean anyone 'deserved' what happened.. it makes it all that much more tragic..
rcapolete
Active Member
NEVER!!!!!!! (see bold item) There is no excuse for tailgating anyone ever, regradless of their speed. No offense but going below the speed limit were it may be annoying will in no way cause the drive to rear end the car in front of him. Tailgating can cause you to rear end the car in front of you. If you feel that going below the speed limit is the just as bad a tail gating then i suggest you rethink your ability to properly operate a car.Not to lecture you (and this may not apply to you anyway...but being that you bring it up
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Actually there is as Im sure the US like the UK uses safety data that was developed over 40 years ago and cars have significantly changed since then, especially stopping distances. And statistically motorways and auto routes which have the highest speed limits and traffic volumes have fewer accidents. But that's by the by.
However what would concern me is that the cars both caught fire.
LilMommyBug
Member
I agree, and if you don't like it then pass! If you can't pass, then freaking chill and you will get where you are going. I mean if you get in a wreck it's going to take you LONGER to get where you need to be, so why not just calm down? It's not like it's going to make the person speed up... It doesn't me anyway..
If you work where you know there are slow tourists driving around, then leave for work earlier!
DisneyChik17
Well-Known Member
My whole theory entirley. Don't get me wrong though, I used to be a crazy, impatient driver, but once this whole idea really sank in my whole driving personality changed. I feel much safer in the car with myself now. :lol: But, in all honesty, traffic laws are designed for our benefit and safety. It may sound "preachy," but it is the truth. I choose to obey them, and wish everyone else did as well.
cblodg
Member
I agree whole heartedly! There is no reason to tailgate ANYONE! As others have said, if you don't like it than pass when it's safe to do so. If you can't then you'll just have to calm down and deal with it.
I'm not a fan of those two lane roads where you have double solid yellow lines and then it switches to an area where you can pass on the left (by entering oncoming traffic) if it's safe to do so. I would NEVER do that and I personally think anyone who does is, even if it's legal, are not being safe drivers.
All this is really important to remember, but we also need to remember that two lives have now been extinguished in a tragic accident. My heart and prayers go out to both families.
TinkerChelli
Member
It's very sad to hear this stuff. I guess we can all learn from tragedies
like this and just try to be more carefully and don't speed (not saying they were) but I think we can learn from others. It's very sad My heart goes out to all involved...I know those roads are very dangerous and also very confusing
like this and just try to be more carefully and don't speed (not saying they were) but I think we can learn from others. It's very sad
My heart goes out to all involved...I know those roads are very dangerous and also very confusing 
miles1
Active Member
Well said. If you should manage to rear-end the car in front of you, even if they were going too slow for your standards, you will be hard pressed to find a US court that will agree it was the other driver's fault. And good luck if a good personal injury lawyer gets ahold of you.
I've found that if you get one of these "Fast and Furious" guys tailgaiting you, the best thing to do is to simply turn on your flasher and pull over to let them pass (if it can be done safely, of course). Make sure you glare at them as they pass. As soon as they pass, get back in the lane behind them, but drive normally. First, this makes them conscious of the fact that their driving was out-of-line. Second, it makes them paranoid that you are now behind them, and they don't know what you're going to do.
Yesterday I had the opportunity to use such an incident as a teaching tool for my soon-to-be-driving 15 year old. We were behind someone that was obviously DUI (weaving all over the road), but only traveling about 20 mph in an area that traffic usually moves at 30 to 35 mph. Instead of getting impatient about it, I pointed out the weaving to DS, and dropped back considerably to give him/her lots of room. It took a few extra minutes to get home, but at least we got there. Hopefully the lesson sunk in.
With the situation at hand, it seems to be a horrible tragedy and a true accident. Obviously one of the drivers made a terrible mistake (I can't imagine anyone purposely driving in the wrong direction like that). Both drivers are worthy of our prayers.
DisneyBoi1215
New Member
The Cast Member was the 19 year old from Winter Garden. According to his Facebook page, he was a boat pilot. This kind of situation really puts things into perspective for me. Why did he have to lose his life at such a young age, and why did the 50-year-old tourist have to get behind the wheel if he was intoxicated? I am praying for both families that are affected, but it just seems so... I don't know, unfair, that the person that did nothing wrong in the first place had to be the CM that died.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Sadly, fatal accidents on Disney Property are just as common as fatal accidents on the rest of the roads in America.
Just an FYI aside here, FHP has jurisdiction on fatal accidents on Disney property.
Just an FYI aside here, FHP has jurisdiction on fatal accidents on Disney property.
baz212
New Member
While being dangerous in most situations, these types of legal passing zones are necessary in rural areas because of all the farm implements on the during certain times of the year, most of which only go about 15 miles per hour. Passing a very slow moving vehicle in this way is perfectly safe, probably safer than passing it since my car does not have the bright orange slow-moving triangle on it to alert approaching drivers.
sublimesting
Well-Known Member
If I am being tailgated I repeatedly use my windshield fluid. It almost always makes them back off.
mickeymatt
Active Member
The Cast Member was the 19 year old from Winter Garden. According to his Facebook page, he was a boat pilot. This kind of situation really puts things into perspective for me. Why did he have to lose his life at such a young age, and why did the 50-year-old tourist have to get behind the wheel if he was intoxicated? I am praying for both families that are affected, but it just seems so... I don't know, unfair, that the person that did nothing wrong in the first place had to be the CM that died.
Just a side note. First let me say that my heart goes out to the victims of this tradegy and their families.
Second, can you be a boat captain at 19? Or is it a boat on tracks. I thought there would be insurance issues? Just curious, maybe some other CM's could tell me.
Ashitaka
Active Member
My thoughts go out to the victims and their loved ones.
In response to the discussion about safe driving around Disney World, I'd say one of the many things I like about vacations there is that I can leave the driving to Disney. I don't need to be the tourist who doesn't quite know where the correct turn-off is. And I can share a bottle of wine during my fine meal at World Showcase without worrying about having to get behind the wheel once I leave the park (I won't drink at all if I have to drive somewhere). I stay at a Disney resort and just take the bus or monorail everywhere. Far less worries and stress that way.
In response to the discussion about safe driving around Disney World, I'd say one of the many things I like about vacations there is that I can leave the driving to Disney. I don't need to be the tourist who doesn't quite know where the correct turn-off is. And I can share a bottle of wine during my fine meal at World Showcase without worrying about having to get behind the wheel once I leave the park (I won't drink at all if I have to drive somewhere). I stay at a Disney resort and just take the bus or monorail everywhere. Far less worries and stress that way.
hardcard
New Member
The Cast Member was the 19 year old from Winter Garden. According to his Facebook page, he was a boat pilot. This kind of situation really puts things into perspective for me. Why did he have to lose his life at such a young age, and why did the 50-year-old tourist have to get behind the wheel if he was intoxicated? I am praying for both families that are affected, but it just seems so... I don't know, unfair, that the person that did nothing wrong in the first place had to be the CM that died.
That really sucks.. and I apologize for my earlier thoughts about the cm being at fault.