Another fatal crash on WDW property last night.

[Duckberg]

SLOW down

PLEASE drive defensively on OR off property!!!! Duckberg :lookaroun

 

[devoy1701]

I agree, and if you don't like it then pass! If you can't pass, then freaking chill and you will get where you are going. I mean if you get in a wreck it's going to take you LONGER to get where you need to be, so why not just calm down? It's not like it's going to make the person speed up... It doesn't me anyway..

If you work where you know there are slow tourists driving around, then leave for work earlier!

just a suggestion to those who don't like going with the flow of traffic...don't sit in the left lane on I-4 then if you're going to do less than 80.

Everyone knows the unwritten speed limit of the left lane on Florida Interstates is 80.

Never is it below 70. Unless there is inclement weather.

You are really causing much more of a problem by being a stubborn driver refusing to get out of the way for the fast traffic than if you were to scoot your butt over to the middle or right lane.

Now if you're going 80 and someone is coming behind you going way faster than that...then a brake check is authorized.

Comments above are not directed towards LilMommyBug.

And I also offer condolences to the families of the victims.

 

[hardcard]

just a suggestion to those who don't like going with the flow of traffic...don't sit in the left lane on I-4 then if you're going to do less than 80.

Everyone knows the unwritten speed limit of the left lane on Florida Interstates is 80.

Never is it below 70. Unless there is inclement weather.

You are really causing much more of a problem by being a stubborn driver refusing to get out of the way for the fast traffic than if you were to scoot your butt over to the middle or right lane.

Now if you're going 80 and someone is coming behind you going way faster than that...then a brake check is authorized.

Comments above are not directed towards LilMommyBug.

And I also offer condolences to the families of the victims.

I too, generally, drive 80 in the 70 mph zones, especially on I4, but having said that.. There is no rule, written or not, that if a person is doing 70MPH on the dot, that they HAVE to move over.. 'slower traffic keep right' simply means those that are driving somewhere between 45 and 65 need to stay to the right.. if you are doing 70, you are fine in the left lane.. regardless of what some road-ragers would say

 

[raven]

I've seen my share of accidents due to stupidly lost tourists creating road hazards by going both under and above the limit...

I used to think that it was Florida drivers that were so bad when I first moved here until I realized that most of those Florida plates were rental cars on I4. The GPS is a dead give away. But yes, they choose to cut across 4 lanes of traffic when they get to their exit very often. Or drive in a clearly makred "exit only" lane for 2 miles before cutting off the other lane when it's too late to get back onto I4. I see it nearly every night on the way to work by the DTD area and choose not to even go in those lanes until I pass that exit.

I too, generally, drive 80 in the 70 mph zones, especially on I4, but having said that.. There is no rule, written or not, that if a person is doing 70MPH on the dot, that they HAVE to move over.. 'slower traffic keep right' simply means those that are driving somewhere between 45 and 65 need to stay to the right.. if you are doing 70, you are fine in the left lane.. regardless of what some road-ragers would say

I agree. Trucks cannot go in the far left lane when there are 3 lanes but they will push a driver to get over if they are going over the speed limit in the middle lane...even if the car is going the speed limit anyway.

If people want to go faster than the speed limit then THEY need to be the ones to move, not the other drivers who are trying to be safe. I'll be the one laughing when I pass you as you are pulled over.

 

[whendoweleave?]

I used to think that it was Florida drivers that were so bad when I first moved here until I realized that most of those Florida plates were rental cars on I4. The GPS is a dead give away. But yes, they choose to cut across 4 lanes of traffic when they get to their exit very often. Or drive in a clearly makred "exit only" lane for 2 miles before cutting off the other lane when it's too late to get back onto I4. I see it nearly every night on the way to work by the DTD area and choose not to even go in those lanes until I pass that exit.
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Sorry to disagree with you. I see people driving like nuts all over Florida and in the NON tourist areas. (altamonte,casselberry,oviedo) I see cars that are not even close to being rentals. We call them Hoopties here in Pa. You know the one with two doors that are a different color than the rest of the car, and or has its paint peeling all over it.
I have people that live in my condo complex that drive through the parking lot like its the Richard Petty driving experience!
Yes the tourists are really bad but the people who live there are just as bad if not worse!

 

[markc]

NEVER!!!!!!! (see bold item) There is no excuse for tailgating anyone ever, regradless of their speed. No offense but going below the speed limit were it may be annoying will in no way cause the drive to rear end the car in front of him. Tailgating can cause you to rear end the car in front of you. If you feel that going below the speed limit is the just as bad a tail gating then i suggest you rethink your ability to properly operate a car.

rcapolete - please re-read my post. Never did I say that tailgating was acceptable. It's not - and is against most state driving laws as the driver is failing to assure enough distance between itself and the car in front of it. My post was in response to somebody who felt those who tailgate are the only ones in the wrong when somebody is going way below the speed limit. Both are unacceptable and both actions can create hazardous unsafe driving conditions on the road and to the drivers around them. It's a mis-statement to think that driving slower automatically always means that its safer.

 

[smk]

Technically, isn't the far left lane on any interstate the passing lane? It is not to "drive" in, it is to be used to overtake a slower car and then mover back over if you can. I understand that moving back over is not always possible but if you have miles in front of you with no one else but the car you just passed, by rules of the road, don't you have to move over? I have seen people ticketed in Indiana for driving in the left lane continously.

Confusing an entrance ramp with an exit ramp can happen anywhere (it has happened here too, people think they are entering the highway the right way and get onto the wrong side of the interstate. We had a rash of problems a few years ago, all ending tragically) Either way fatal accidents are always sad, especially involving one so young.

 

[calicommando]

Technically, isn't the far left lane on any interstate the passing lane? It is not to "drive" in, it is to be used to overtake a slower car and then mover back over if you can. I understand that moving back over is not always possible but if you have miles in front of you with no one else but the car you just passed, by rules of the road, don't you have to move over? I have seen people ticketed in Indiana for driving in the left lane continously.

Confusing an entrance ramp with an exit ramp can happen anywhere (it has happened here too, people think they are entering the highway the right way and get onto the wrong side of the interstate. We had a rash of problems a few years ago, all ending tragically) Either way fatal accidents are always sad, especially involving one so young.

I thought so too.

 

[Phonedave]

I thought so too.

In NJ you can get a ticket for "failure to keep right"


A driver is guilty of a motor vehicle offense if he or she does not drive a vehicle as closely as possible to the right edge or curb of the roadway, unless it is a one-way street, it is impractical to travel on that side of the roadway, or if the driver is overtaking or passing another vehicle.

A driver who is convicted of failing to keep to the right may be subject to a fine not less than $52, nor more than $202. If the offense occurs in an area of highway construction, then the fines are doubled. A driver will be assessed two points for failing to keep right.


And while on the subject, lets talk tailgating

A driver commits tailgating if he or she follows another vehicle more closely than reasonable. A driver convicted of tailgating is fined not less than $52, and not more than $202. A driver is assessed five points for tailgating. A court may suspend a driver’s license for up to 30 days for tailgating.

Emphaisis mine. Guess who, 99% of the time, defines what is reasonable? Thats right, the LEO that gave you the ticket.



-dave

 

[devoy1701]

Technically, isn't the far left lane on any interstate the passing lane? It is not to "drive" in, it is to be used to overtake a slower car and then mover back over if you can. I understand that moving back over is not always possible but if you have miles in front of you with no one else but the car you just passed, by rules of the road, don't you have to move over? I have seen people ticketed in Indiana for driving in the left lane continously.

good thing they dont ticket for that here.

but anyway...i'm passing everyone in that lane (usually) so technically I am using it as a passing lane. I just don't have time to get back over before I start passing another car.

FHP uses the Left Lane for cruising all the time anyway...

 

[devoy1701]

I too, generally, drive 80 in the 70 mph zones, especially on I4, but having said that.. There is no rule, written or not, that if a person is doing 70MPH on the dot, that they HAVE to move over.. 'slower traffic keep right' simply means those that are driving somewhere between 45 and 65 need to stay to the right.. if you are doing 70, you are fine in the left lane.. regardless of what some road-ragers would say

bah! Road-ragers!

its just an unwritten left lane courtasy.

You know...with no hills, mountains, twists, turns on Florida roads...driving 80 is all we have to keep things interesting.

and so its out there. I will also get annoyed with you do not use cruise control...there is nothing more annoying that someone speeding up and passing you or getting over for someone just to have to pass them 5 minutes later. I will get over for someone twice, if you haven't learned to use cruise control by then, I'm not going to inconvienence myself anymore. It saves gas btw too for all of you liberal "save the planet from global warming" people out there!

also, on mountain roads such as Newfound Gap Rd in the Smokey Mtn National Park, 2nd gear is your friend...no need to contantly ride your brakes and slow to 10mph around each turn...

i just don't know where some people learned to drive!

 

[dsnyfreak]

just a suggestion to those who don't like going with the flow of traffic...don't sit in the left lane on I-4 then if you're going to do less than 80.

Everyone knows the unwritten speed limit of the left lane on Florida Interstates is 80.

Never is it below 70. Unless there is inclement weather.

You are really causing much more of a problem by being a stubborn driver refusing to get out of the way for the fast traffic than if you were to scoot your butt over to the middle or right lane.

Now if you're going 80 and someone is coming behind you going way faster than that...then a brake check is authorized.

Comments above are not directed towards LilMommyBug.

And I also offer condolences to the families of the victims.

Im a native Floridian and have driven the I4 coridor many a times. when the speed limit says 70 that means 70. eveyone thinks that Florida has that unwritten rule that you can go 10 miles over the speed limit and be ok. well Im sorry to burst your bubble but 70 means 70 no matter what lane your in. yes the rule is slower traffic keep to the right and the big rigs to the two right lanes as well, but the speed Florida Highway Patrol WILL stop you for going 5 miles over the speed limit. there have been way to many fatalities on the interstates especially I4. and when there is construction area where its posted as 55 your going 70 thats a double priced ticket . your looking at about a $400 tacket at that point. and if your going 10 miles over in a non construction zone thats about a $200 ticket and a non winning argument with the FHP.Ive heard it seen it. 70 means 70. 45 at disney means 45 and so on. I have seen the FHP pull people over even on property so just watch your speed. or you will be faced with a fine and if you try to fight the FHP youre not going to win in that situation. so plase slow down and follow the speed limits everywhere your not the only one on the roads. and if you can afford a $200 or more ticket that doesnt mean its ok to speed. slow down, and drive safe.follow the Florida laws and we will all arrive alive.

 

[bgraham34]

That is really sad and terrible news. My prayers go out to the family.

 

[Phonedave]

good thing they dont ticket for that here.

but anyway...i'm passing everyone in that lane (usually) so technically I am using it as a passing lane. I just don't have time to get back over before I start passing another car.

FHP uses the Left Lane for cruising all the time anyway...

They may not ticket as a rule, but they can if they want to, unless you are on a three lane highways (see bolded section)

Kind of a strange bunch of exceptions, but there you go.





316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.--
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or
(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway. (4) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.



However, in Florida, people are required to get out of your way when you want to pass them


316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:

(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall give an appropriate signal as provided for in s. 316.156, shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle.

(2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.


-dave




-dave

 

[hardcard]

bah! Road-ragers!

its just an unwritten left lane courtasy.

You know...with no hills, mountains, twists, turns on Florida roads...driving 80 is all we have to keep things interesting.

and so its out there. I will also get annoyed with you do not use cruise control...there is nothing more annoying that someone speeding up and passing you or getting over for someone just to have to pass them 5 minutes later. I will get over for someone twice, if you haven't learned to use cruise control by then, I'm not going to inconvienence myself anymore. It saves gas btw too for all of you liberal "save the planet from global warming" people out there!

also, on mountain roads such as Newfound Gap Rd in the Smokey Mtn National Park, 2nd gear is your friend...no need to contantly ride your brakes and slow to 10mph around each turn...

i just don't know where some people learned to drive!

we DO have hills here.. want flat and boring? try the interstates in southern louisiana.

 

[rcapolete]

rcapolete - please re-read my post. Never did I say that tailgating was acceptable. It's not - and is against most state driving laws as the driver is failing to assure enough distance between itself and the car in front of it. My post was in response to somebody who felt those who tailgate are the only ones in the wrong when somebody is going way below the speed limit. Both are unacceptable and both actions can create hazardous unsafe driving conditions on the road and to the drivers around them. It's a mis-statement to think that driving slower automatically always means that its safer.

I dont want to getting into a whole big thing over this but i stand by my original post.
you said in your post that the person tailgating is no more wrong then the person that is going under the speed limit and that is just not true. The person tailgating is always always always in the wrong end of story.
As i stated before going too slow will not be the cause of an accident but tailgating will be even if the person tailgating is doing so cause the person in front of them is going under the speed limit the tailgater is still completely 100% at fault.

 

[Astro_Digital]

You know what I do not understand and do not misunderstand me a car accident is sad, double so if people get hurt and a tragedy when somebody dies but people have car accidents, people die the fact that it happens on WDW property should not make it news or something people should care about anymore than an accident at home.

It is sad but people have accidents and people die, if it happens at WDW it is not somehow special.

 

[TowerOfTerror]

There was some type of fire on World drive today. Large black flames where coming from the World Drive/Epcot overpass area. They were redirecting traffic back towards the magic kingdom. It looked pretty bad. Hope everyone is ok.

 

[raven]

Sorry to disagree with you. I see people driving like nuts all over Florida and in the NON tourist areas. (altamonte,casselberry,oviedo) I see cars that are not even close to being rentals.

Those aren't tourist destinations. I was talking about the "attractions" area of Orlando and LBV.

 

[Gucci65]

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims families and friends.