aladdin2007
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I believe a Brave dark ride was first considered before Poppins. I miss the bus bar dark rides, guess we will never see one of those made again.
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News Announced: Mary Poppins Attraction in UK Pavilion
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owlsandcoffee
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I, in a way, consider the trackless dark rides a spiritual successor to that. There are drawbacks; the trackless vehicles are massive and cumbersome. One wonders if a smaller, faster trackless vehicle is a possibility.
Brer Panther
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Remember when we were all hoping for them to add a trackless dark ride to Disney World?
Now we have, I think, three. And the novelty has worn off.
Now we have, I think, three. And the novelty has worn off.
TikibirdLand
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IMO, they're trying to do too much with the trackless, affecting the storytelling. It's more important than the technology. A simpler, easier to maintain vehicle and support doesn't negate immersion. Take a look at what other parks on doing with less technology.
Brer Panther
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There was absolutely no reason for Ratatouille to be a trackless dark ride, or a dark ride at all. Most of the ride is just spent parked in front of a screen. They could have made it a simulator and it wouldn't have made a difference.
Casper Gutman
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Yup. MMRR (and MM) seems to be about as well used as the trackless system can be. It doesn’t add much at all to RotR and is completely useless on Rat. As far as I’m concerned, they can add MM or a similar equivalent (Encanto seems made for this) and then stop with the trackless systems.
Universal’s Scoop is a much more versatile system and a much more logical successor to the Omnimover - which doesn’t need a successor, since it still works brilliantly well.
I disagree with that, I think rat is a great mid tier darkride and is a great addition to epcot. The ride itself has the cars moving around in fun ways that couldnt be done without trackless. Is it rise? No, but it's not as bad as people make it put to be imo
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DreamfinderGuy
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Respectfully disagree. Look at Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man, most of that ride is spent parked in front of screens too, but it's one of the greatest attractions of all time (some may argue *the* greatest). You just don't get the same effects in a simulator. The bits they chose to make practical give it a heightened sense of authenticity. I like it a lot for what it is.
UNCgolf
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The heavy use of screens in Spider-Man is why it didn't work all that well for me. It's a good ride, and probably about as good as you can do using screens, but it didn't blow me away. I think I could name at least 10 attractions I've enjoyed more just at Universal Orlando and WDW.
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yensidtlaw1969
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I tend to agree - I enjoy Spider-Man and respect how innovative it was, but I rode both Spider-Man and Indiana Jones at Disneyland for the first time within a month of each other and I was WAY more impressed by Jones. It takes all the best elements of a simulator and runs it through a practical environment.
Ratatouille would be much improved by having some EMV features within the vehicle - that lack of a motion base in the ride vehicle really hurts it when you're parked in front of a screen and meant to believe you're careening through the kitchen. Even some light pitch and yaw would do wonders. But I'll stop there, since my criticism of Rat goes much further and I'm just gonna derail the thread.
To whom do I make out the Human Sacrifice in order to make THIS happen? If we're meant to finally get a Mary Poppins Attraction, something like this is really the form it should take. I'm sure the Double-Decker Carousel would have been nice enough, but Mary deserves better than another bunted spinner.
I also kinda think a nice classy double decker merry go round would be a pretty swell addition to epcot as there isnt one, so even if they cut the budget way down from a dark ride to a nice merrygoround Id be happy, and its be a nice low thrills ride all ages draw to that section of the park
Our more regarded insiders have said that the detachable horse from a merry-go-round is the old Baxter pitch which was never in the mix for this EPCOT renewal. Just fan speculation/wish-fulfillment.
Also, they said the carousel would not be double decker. Another fan theory.
Hey, those two things have something in common!
UNCgolf
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I thought Martin mentioned the double decker carousel at some point as a possibility.
Regardless, I've always wondered how they'd be able to efficiently load a double decker carousel. Carousels aren't exactly quick to load to begin with, but doing it on two separate levels seems like it would slow things down even more. It would not be a high capacity attraction unless the carousel was massive (double decker would likely be higher capacity due to sheer numbers of additional spots, but if it took twice as long to load, it would significantly cut into that capacity).
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owlsandcoffee
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Oh, agreed, I'd love to see a more simple, Pretzel-style tracked ride that takes advantage of projection tech, better animatronics, and high-quality theming. The fact that Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is still the best ride that Fantasyland ever had supports your comment.
UNCgolf
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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea was better than Mr. Toad.
Casper Gutman
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Spider-Man uses a motion base and a LOT of practical effects, far more then Rat. The screens are a big part of Spidey. The screens ARE Rat.
I actually think Spidey works slightly better then Indy, although both are masterpieces and their is very little daylight between the two. Without the integration of screens, Indy feels SMALL, and (although this is an odd way to put it) the motion-base sometimes feels like its overacting to prove its there, occasionally overwhelming rather then working in harmony with other elements of the attraction. I appreciate many of Indy's effects without necessarily FEELING them - I enjoy the snake or the boulder finale, but I enjoy them as clever effects in a ride, and neither produces the visceral suspension-of-disbelief moment that Spidey's lantern bomb or anti-gravity sequence does even on the umpteenth ride. But again, I still absolutely love Indy, and its easily one of the best attractions in America.
Began life as a dark ride when the theme was changed from Brave.
Then a “flat” ride
Then a “spinning” ride.
Got so far as backstage survey markers.
yensidtlaw1969
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Would you think it‘s fair to say this has been merely shelved instead of cancelled?
It surprised me to see anyone suggest it might simply come further down the line, given the climate of the company.
TikibirdLand
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Can you imagine a dark ride set on Cherry Tree Lane. New or old Mary Poppins... It would have been magical!