NearTheEars
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Several posts suggest that @marni1971 seems OK with the direction. I can't imagine him being OK with a flat ride in World Showcase.
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News Announced: Mary Poppins Attraction in UK Pavilion
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Several posts suggest that @marni1971 seems OK with the direction. I can't imagine him being OK with a flat ride in World Showcase.
Magenta Panther
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No one's ticked about Merida complaining about a forced marriage. The problem is that the movie preached all that rather than entertained. That's my main beef with it. That's why I'd take a likeable, old-fashioned-girl character like Snow White over an empty PC avatar like Merida any day. When I watched "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs", I CARED about Snow. I teared up at her funeral. But I didn't give a darn about Merida. Nothing she did moved me in the least, perhaps because I was all too aware that she was less a character than she was a statement. I do think it's completely possible for a movie character to be both, but IMO Merida failed at that. And so did the movie's script. This is just my take on it. And is why I think a Brave ride for the UK area is a very lame dumb idea. But hey, TDO's gotta push those princesses 'cause merchandising, good ideas be damned!
DisneyFan18
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I agree with you, and honestly I can’t see how can a flat ride (like Luigi’s Rollickin’ Roadsters) can be done with Brave...
EricsBiscuit
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Maybe this will have lots of AAs and be like Monsters Inc in TDL. That's a bus bar dark ride built within the last 10-15 years.
Hollie512
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Personally I don't think the Scottish political situation should have anything to do with it, even if we do eventually leave the UK, the pavilion is a historical representation of the country anyway and Scotland is part of that history (with Brave presumably being set a long while in the past).
Anything that will reduce the number of guests/cast members calling the UK pavilion the England pavilion is a plus in my books!
Anything that will reduce the number of guests/cast members calling the UK pavilion the England pavilion is a plus in my books!
nickys
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EricsBiscuit
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It's like the crappy DL dark rides in FL that are basically a cart guided by a bar that happens to power it. Some of these are cool (Monster Inc at TDL and Pooh and Alice) but most are bad (Snow White, Mr Toad)Can someone explain what a "bus bar" ride is please?
Casper Gutman
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But that just makes things more confusing - wasn't Brave set long before Scotland and England were united? It's a minefield!
[Please note, this is not a genuine complaint]
[Second note: I'm still not convinced it's Brave - I know what Spirit said, and he's certainly a knowledgeable source, but I wouldn't put it past him to play with us a bit. I cling to Alice.]
Casper Gutman
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Gotta stand up for Toad here. It's a dang classic. Snow too. ALL the DL FL dark rides are great, and I wish we had them in WDW.
nickys
Premium Member
Took the word out of my mouth about when Brave was set. At least a couple of centuries before Unification I'd guess.
But I like the idea of it, and I happen to like Merida too. Feisty, that's us Scot's lassies.
(And teenagers always were, always will be selfish, self centered brats some of the time lol! I bet there's not one of you who wasn't at some point. ) Whether this was 14th or 17th century, we (meaning Scotland, England and Britain) had plenty of teenage kings and queens, sometimes younger, and some of them were still teenagers when they were executed too - not that that's a good thing mind. Just pointing out that in those times Merida faced an uncertain future, she could have been dragged off her horse and put to the sword any day. She had to know how to look out for herself, not wait around for some prince to come and rescue her.
And if we have to have a princess in the UK pavilion, at least we have one who's popular with boys as well as girls. She's the only Disney princess I know of that primary school,aged boys don't roll their eyes at.
nickys
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Matt_Black
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People complaining about how unlikable Merida is are missing the point that she's supposed to be kind of unlikable. She progresses through the film and learns to compromise with her mom. It's called a character arc.
MerlinTheGoat
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There is a vast difference between being self centered (which could have been interesting had the story been better written and the character been an actual badass) and acting like a sociopath after possibly poisoning your mom and seeing her in pain.
Merida has little to no actual arc, just an abrupt shift from an unempathetic jerk who ignores her mom being in pain and danger, to an apologetic daughter quite suddenly in the last five minutes. This was in the climax scene after her mother fully transforms into a bear mentally, only there is where her character changes. It happens quite abruptly and without appropriate gradual progression in the story.
She learns no such thing, nor should she have to compromise on her forced marriage. She has every right to rebel against her parents. It is her mother who should be compromising on the marriage. And she does eventually, Elinor is the one with an actual arc and a much better lead character than Merida.
Merida has little to no actual arc, just an abrupt shift from an unempathetic jerk who ignores her mom being in pain and danger, to an apologetic daughter quite suddenly in the last five minutes. This was in the climax scene after her mother fully transforms into a bear mentally, only there is where her character changes. It happens quite abruptly and without appropriate gradual progression in the story.
Additionally, a Mystic Manor type ride would be an E-Ticket and we've been told to lower our expectations.
A Mystic Manor type ride is what the Mickey Ride and Star Wars Battleship Escape ride will be like (but plussed), and Ratatuouille (but minussed). I wouldn't mind two or three more of that type scattered throughout the parks...
DisneyFan18
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I know, that's why I said it would be too optimistic. I only said that a ride that style would be cool. As I said before, I'm not sure of what to expect.
Matt_Black
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I think you're overreacting about the "poisoning" thing. You know, when Jim Carrey slips Jeff Daniels a laxative in Dumb and Dumber, it's played for a laugh, even though it's essentially the same thing.
bclane
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I only saw the movie once and that was when it first came out, but I don't remember Merida trying to poison her mom. Did I miss something or just forget? I do remember her foolishly asking a witch to create something to change her mom in a way that would change her fate and the cake or whatever it was the witch gave her turned her mom into a bear. And then I remember Merida immediately feeling horrible about the whole thing and trying to make it right...or am I confusing movies here? Is that the jist of it? I remember liking the movie but feeling like it didn't measure up to other Pixar films and just never bothered to watch it again. Still, I think it could make a cool dark ride, though not as good as my idea for a time travelling Mr. Bean in a Mini Cooper ride set to music like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, U2, Coldplay etc., etc., etc. (so many great bands to choose from!).
Matt_Black
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At one point, Queen Elinor gets nauseous after eating the enchanted thing, and people are overselling it.
bclane
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I remember that now that you mention it, thanks. What I'm not too clear on though was Merida's intentions. I don't remember her intending to hurt her mother but I could be wrong. I remember her making a really selfish and clearly a really bad choice, but I don't remember there being any malice but like I said, I saw it only once a long time ago.