Anna and Elsa - Just Plain Ridiculous.

BigTxEars

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That, or we just know that every thing in a Disney movie talks. Just saying...

I know, kinda of my point. Why are we expecting a movie without plot holes when there are talking animals in it?

I mean when Pocahontas came out Disney was bashed by native Americans because it was did not portray them realistically nor was it historically accurate in their view. I think it was Mel Gibson who said "Realistically? Accurately? It has a F****ing talking raccoon in it, what's realistic about it?" Now Gisbson is crazy no doubt but he nailed it there IMO.

Either way Frozen is doing alright. Not everybody has to love or even like it. No harm no foul.
 

Monkee Girl

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I know, kinda of my point. Why are we expecting a movie without plot holes when there are talking animals in it?

I mean when Pocahontas came out Disney was bashed by native Americans because it was did not portray them realistically nor was it historically accurate in their view. I think it was Mel Gibson who said "Realistically? Accurately? It has a F****ing talking raccoon in it, what's realistic about it?" Now Gisbson is crazy no doubt but he nailed it there IMO.

Either way Frozen is doing alright. Not everybody has to love or even like it. No harm no foul.


Mel IS crazy...There's no talking raccoon in Pocahontas...:banghead:
 

BigTxEars

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Mel IS crazy...There's no talking raccoon in Pocahontas...:banghead:

I know and I am sure he knows that since he voiced a character int he movie. His point was it a animated family movie not a historical drama or a documentary. Why would it matter if it's not verbatium with historical fact?

I feel the same way about all animated movies, I suspend belief as soon as I decide to see them. I don't care about small plot hole in them, historical innacuracies and such. That's just me, other feel differently and thats fine too.

Just saw one about a boy and his father a time traveling dog, pretty sure that one has a few issues with accuracy as well. :)
 

cw1982

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Sigh... is it bad that I have yet to see this movie? I'm very curious and may find myself watching it tomorrow while my husband is at work, since I'm on spring break this week lol
 

Monkee Girl

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I know and I am sure he knows that since he voiced a character int he movie. His point was it a animated family movie not a historical drama or a documentary. Why would it matter if it's not verbatium with historical fact?

I feel the same way about all animated movies, I suspend belief as soon as I decide to see them. I don't care about small plot hole in them, historical innacuracies and such. That's just me, other feel differently and thats fine too.

Just saw one about a boy and his father a time traveling dog, pretty sure that one has a few issues with accuracy as well. :)

Definitely get what you are saying. My thing is though, suspension can only take you so far. If the movie decides to go outside it's reality, then that suspension (Depending on how you are as a movie goer) is ruined. Regarding Frozen, I can deal with a queen having ice powers. They were established early on in the film. Great. Now, say somewhere halfway through, they just decide that Elsa is going to have fire powers as well. Or decided that Elsa could fly. Or in the middle of the movie a great unicorn is going to pop up out of nowhere. Those were not established in the movie and therefore would take my suspension of disbelief and ruin it. Just because it's animated, doesn't mean it can do absolutely anything it wants and expect people to belief it completely.

My gripe about the rulers of the land come more from Disney trying way too hard to fit their fantasy princesses into a real world scenario to try and appeal to the ones bashing the Princess line and saying it's counter productive to children. But Disney is trying way too hard. I know Disney wants to make their money. They have every right too. But they need to do it the way they do best. Make classic stories with memorable characters. Not only focus on merchandising or trying to appeal to a certain type of group. There was nothing classic about this film (for me); it was all a spoof of old Disney tropes. They did that already in Enchanted and I feel the movie lost out on a lot of it's own potential charm because it was trying to be something it wasn't.

CW1982, you should definitely give it a try. Don't listen to my old out of touch self :P but let us know what you think and if after seeing the film if you will go stand in a 8 hour line to meet the girls, haha
 

BigTxEars

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Sigh... is it bad that I have yet to see this movie? I'm very curious and may find myself watching it tomorrow while my husband is at work, since I'm on spring break this week lol

LOL yep you a loser for not seeing it yet! :)

I know way more people who have not seen it than who have, it's like anything super popular, it grows it's own set of folks who dislike it just because it is so popular. It's super hyped, and nothing can live up to super hype....I'm looking at you Le Cellier.......;)

It's a very good movie, but not life changing. Although that Snowman song will stick in your head I bet!
 

BigTxEars

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Definitely get what you are saying. My thing is though, suspension can only take you so far. If the movie decides to go outside it's reality, then that suspension (Depending on how you are as a movie goer) is ruined. Regarding Frozen, I can deal with a queen having ice powers. They were established early on in the film. Great. Now, say somewhere halfway through, they just decide that Elsa is going to have fire powers as well. Or decided that Elsa could fly. Or in the middle of the movie a great unicorn is going to pop up out of nowhere. Those were not established in the movie and therefore would take my suspension of disbelief and ruin it. Just because it's animated, doesn't mean it can do absolutely anything it wants and expect people to belief it completely.

My gripe about the rulers of the land come more from Disney trying way too hard to fit their fantasy princesses into a real world scenario to try and appeal to the ones bashing the Princess line and saying it's counter productive to children. But Disney is trying way too hard. I know Disney wants to make their money. They have every right too. But they need to do it the way they do best. Make classic stories with memorable characters. Not only focus on merchandising or trying to appeal to a certain type of group. There was nothing classic about this film (for me); it was all a spoof of old Disney tropes. They did that already in Enchanted and I feel the movie lost out on a lot of it's own potential charm because it was trying to be something it wasn't.

CW1982, you should definitely give it a try. Don't listen to my old out of touch self :p but let us know what you think and if after seeing the film if you will go stand in a 8 hour line to meet the girls, haha


I agree about Enchanted, could have been so much more. I would not consider Frozen a classic Disney movie either. I do think it's one of the better movies to come form them in a while, still think Tangled is the best in years and years, but not classic. But it has struck a cord with the world it seems so good for Disney.

They needed something to offset the Lone Ranger and John Carter at the box office :)
 

cw1982

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LOL yep you a loser for not seeing it yet! :)

I know way more people who have not seen it than who have, it's like anything super popular, it grows it's own set of folks who dislike it just because it is so popular. It's super hyped, and nothing can live up to super hype....I'm looking at you Le Cellier.......;)

It's a very good movie, but not life changing. Although that Snowman song will stick in your head I bet!

Oh, the snowman song!

I'm about 30 miles west of Atlanta, and when we had those two rounds of snow this winter, my Facebook was flooded with memes that referenced that song... it was the little girl saying, "Do you want to build a snowman?" and then some grouch saying, "NO!" and the girl looking all disappointed and saying, "okay."

One of my coworkers is a bit obsessed with Disney and especially Frozen, and she is constantly singing that song LOL.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Definitely get what you are saying. My thing is though, suspension can only take you so far. If the movie decides to go outside it's reality, then that suspension (Depending on how you are as a movie goer) is ruined. Regarding Frozen, I can deal with a queen having ice powers. They were established early on in the film. Great. Now, say somewhere halfway through, they just decide that Elsa is going to have fire powers as well. Or decided that Elsa could fly. Or in the middle of the movie a great unicorn is going to pop up out of nowhere. Those were not established in the movie and therefore would take my suspension of disbelief and ruin it. Just because it's animated, doesn't mean it can do absolutely anything it wants and expect people to belief it completely.

My gripe about the rulers of the land come more from Disney trying way too hard to fit their fantasy princesses into a real world scenario to try and appeal to the ones bashing the Princess line and saying it's counter productive to children. But Disney is trying way too hard. I know Disney wants to make their money. They have every right too. But they need to do it the way they do best. Make classic stories with memorable characters. Not only focus on merchandising or trying to appeal to a certain type of group. There was nothing classic about this film (for me); it was all a spoof of old Disney tropes. They did that already in Enchanted and I feel the movie lost out on a lot of it's own potential charm because it was trying to be something it wasn't.

CW1982, you should definitely give it a try. Don't listen to my old out of touch self :p but let us know what you think and if after seeing the film if you will go stand in a 8 hour line to meet the girls, haha

I have to disagree a bit. Do you think parents and kids would be waiting in line at M&G's this long for Anna and Elsa if the characters were not memorable? I think children connect with these characters in a way you or I cannot understand. Did I enjoy this film a lot, yes. Do I think it is their best animated feature ever, no. But I cannot deny that Disney knocked it out of the park here in all aspects; gross revenue, merchandise, popular characters, memorable songs (everywhere I go a hear a kid singing a song from this film). Even adults are posting humorous Vines making fun about how crazy popular it is. Hype or not, it is going to fit comfortably on the shelf with other Disney classics.
 

joanna71985

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So here, we have the king and queen, a daughter who is basically a freak of nature, hid away for most of her life without anyone else in the castle asking 'why,' and another daughter who is closed off from society for no reason. So....then the king and queen die and Elsa isn't made queen until she's 18....so...... how long did this kingdom go without a ruler before Elsa got a coronation? Who ruled in her place? and why would they allow Elsa to be queen when they have never seen her or know if she is fit to be queen? I could get over that part; she's the oldest, fine. first born gets to be queen. BUT after Elsa's powers are revealed and she runs away...why isn't the people in power who ran the kingdom all those years the ones running the kingdom!? Why is it left to some foreign prince, no one has ever heard about, and some merchant, who has NO business deciding ANYTHING for that kingdom the ones in charge? It makes no sense.


Again, just my opinion.

It was 3 years between the parents' deaths and Elsa's coronation
 

Monkee Girl

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I agree about Enchanted, could have been so much more. I would not consider Frozen a classic Disney movie either. I do think it's one of the better movies to come form them in a while, still think Tangled is the best in years and years, but not classic. But it has struck a cord with the world it seems so good for Disney.

They needed something to offset the Lone Ranger and John Carter at the box office :)

Actually, I mean that Enchanted did it first/better and Frozen was attempting to do the same thin as Enchanted and lost out on doing that. :D

But I do agree with you it is one of the better 'new' princess movies. I kind of start the new line with Princess and the Frog and on...I still feel Tangled is the best.
 

BigTxEars

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ok, so .... who took care of the kingdom for those 3 years and why were they not around and left the kingdom to be taken care of by some unknown stranger claiming to be a prince?

I would assume it would have been those men who were shown in the film, the men on the balcony when at the big climax occurred, they seemed to be acting as advisors during the film.
 

Matt_Black

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Well for one thing, we all just assumed that Elsa was born with her powers. Why couldn't we see that? Huh?

We don't assume anything, it's specifically stated she was born with her powers. Furthermore, I've no problem with that, but as I said somewhere else, years of reading comics has me accept that she can be born with powers and I don't question it.

Plus, what happened to Marshmallow?

Someone didn't watch after the credits. ;)

TOO MANY QUESTIONS

Some of these just seem like quibbling or nitpicking. It's like, "How did Triton's kingdom deal with the massive influx of mer-people once Ursula's prisoners were changed back into their original form? In Treasure Planet, did Jim have to declare the loot he found on his taxes, and did he file the proper permits to rebuild the inn? Since Megara already died her fated death, is she now an immortal? Did John and Darling get the proper papers when they took in the Tramp?"
 

FitzherbertFreak

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We don't assume anything, it's specifically stated she was born with her powers. Furthermore, I've no problem with that, but as I said somewhere else, years of reading comics has me accept that she can be born with powers and I don't question it.



Someone didn't watch after the credits. ;)



Some of these just seem like quibbling or nitpicking. It's like, "How did Triton's kingdom deal with the massive influx of mer-people once Ursula's prisoners were changed back into their original form? In Treasure Planet, did Jim have to declare the loot he found on his taxes, and did he file the proper permits to rebuild the inn? Since Megara already died her fated death, is she now an immortal? Did John and Darling get the proper papers when they took in the Tramp?"
Alright, alright. I see your point. We'll done :p
 

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