Anna and Elsa - Just Plain Ridiculous.

Monkee Girl

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Agreed! The characters are so well developed in Tangled - IMO.
Completely agree too. Frozen was cute. I just don't get the hype because I felt Tangled was a better movie in plot, music direction, comedy and twists (pretty much everything). The snow effects in Frozen can't be beat though; they were amazing. Anyway, even though I may not LOVE Frozen, I know the kids really enjoy it. I love hearing kids tell me about it (such a different perspective from us over-thinking adults). I would never stand in a 6 hour line for those characters...but there is a little something inside me that says 'yes I would' if the right child REALLY wanted to meet them and no one else would stand in line with them, lol Just to see their reactions.
 

Matt_Black

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There's a lot of little details in Frozen, though, that really get me. For example, in the scene where Elsa's powers manifest at the coronation, the Duke's clean-shaven henchman is standing right next to Anna, and while everyone else is shocked or scared, he's got this look that says, "Oh, now THIS is interesting." Nice little bit of characterization for a guy with no speaking lines.
 

BigTxEars

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Like posted I am a Tangled guy at the end of the day, but the music in Frozen was better IMO. And Olaf was just awesome IMO.

It was cool seeing the Tangled couple in Frozen, that was a nice touch.
 

joanna71985

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The helper CM should have cut the line. They normally cut the line and no one past that point will meet the character not the adult fan's fault Disney didn't manage the line better.

But we don't know that the characters weren't coming back. For all we know, Goofy and Pluto were coming back in a moment (the blogger didn't mention), which would be why the line wasn't closed
 

cw1982

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"My little prince and princess have to stand on their own feet in line? UNMAGICAL!"

OMG... I just choked on my water... bahaha!

That's right up there with some of the comments I get from parents (as a high school teacher)... "you're not coddling my kid enough..." (same parent, a week later) "my kid tells me you're not treating him in an adult manner." :banghead:

So yes, some people LOVE to find an excuse to complain, whether it is logical or not.
 

FitzherbertFreak

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Completely agree too. Frozen was cute. I just don't get the hype because I felt Tangled was a better movie in plot, music direction, comedy and twists (pretty much everything). The snow effects in Frozen can't be beat though; they were amazing. Anyway, even though I may not LOVE Frozen, I know the kids really enjoy it. I love hearing kids tell me about it (such a different perspective from us over-thinking adults). I would never stand in a 6 hour line for those characters...but there is a little something inside me that says 'yes I would' if the right child REALLY wanted to meet them and no one else would stand in line with them, lol Just to see their reactions.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I felt like I was the only one who wasn't falling for Frozen. Of course, I liked the movie, but it wasn't Tangled to me. TO ME.
 

Monkee Girl

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Yes. Yes. Yes. I felt like I was the only one who wasn't falling for Frozen. Of course, I liked the movie, but it wasn't Tangled to me. TO ME.

Exactly. It was a cute movie and some of the songs were cute but I roll my eyes when I hear people comparing it to Beauty and the Beast
I've now seen Frozen or parts of it so many times I'm not sure if I like the movie anymore. Except for Olaf he still makes me smile.

The way I see it is the characters are well designed. Olaf and Sven are great. But the story falls apart the more I watch it and think about it. It was the same problem I had with 'Princess and the Frog.' Disney needs to make a story that the characters fit in, regardless of who they are and then the marketing will come after. Don't just make characters for marketing purposes and build a story around that; it doesn't work. That's just me though. And I know I am in the minority on that. Again, it's not a bad movie, but it's not the best, like I keep hearing. The music is ok, but I have been in no rush or need to buy it. I have no care for 'Let it go;' It's just too over played and over hyped. Again, that's just my thing.



This is a pretty good review and pretty much explains how I felt about it.
 

FitzherbertFreak

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Exactly. It was a cute movie and some of the songs were cute but I roll my eyes when I hear people comparing it to Beauty and the Beast


The way I see it is the characters are well designed. Olaf and Sven are great. But the story falls apart the more I watch it and think about it. It was the same problem I had with 'Princess and the Frog.' Disney needs to make a story that the characters fit in, regardless of who they are and then the marketing will come after. Don't just make characters for marketing purposes and build a story around that; it doesn't work. That's just me though. And I know I am in the minority on that. Again, it's not a bad movie, but it's not the best, like I keep hearing. The music is ok, but I have been in no rush or need to buy it. I have no care for 'Let it go;' It's just too over played and over hyped. Again, that's just my thing.



This is a pretty good review and pretty much explains how I felt about it.

Also, so many plot holes in Frozen. So many.
 

Monkee Girl

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Such as...?

Hi Matt_Black, I don't know if this officially counts as a 'plot hole,' but one point to the story that threw me out of the movie right away was the whole Royal official stuff. This movie tries way too hard to want to be both a fairy tale and a realistic interpretation of royalty and I don't believe it works to have both. The stories work best when that whole 'what royalty is really like' part is kept out. Because honestly, I don't care about it unless it is a historical piece where the politics play a key role. It doesn't/or at least shouldn't, in this film.

So here, we have the king and queen, a daughter who is basically a freak of nature, hid away for most of her life without anyone else in the castle asking 'why,' and another daughter who is closed off from society for no reason. So....then the king and queen die and Elsa isn't made queen until she's 18....so...... how long did this kingdom go without a ruler before Elsa got a coronation? Who ruled in her place? and why would they allow Elsa to be queen when they have never seen her or know if she is fit to be queen? I could get over that part; she's the oldest, fine. first born gets to be queen. BUT after Elsa's powers are revealed and she runs away...why isn't the people in power who ran the kingdom all those years the ones running the kingdom!? Why is it left to some foreign prince, no one has ever heard about, and some merchant, who has NO business deciding ANYTHING for that kingdom the ones in charge? It makes no sense.

Now, I am in no way a history major of expert on monarchy. But I'd like to think that I know 'enough' to know what was presented in this movie was really stupid and ridiculous. It would go over the heads of kids, so why have it and just burdens the plot with unneeded scenes and exposition that could have been used on strengthening the sister's bond together.

Again, just my opinion.
 

BigTxEars

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I love it, ploy holes in a movie with a magical talking snowman :) Not making fun of that point of view, just find it funny (in a good way) that we as fans can overlook Olaf but not plot holes dealing with politics :) I think that speaks to the power and quality of the movie honestly.
 

FitzherbertFreak

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I love it, ploy holes in a movie with a magical talking snowman :) Not making fun of that point of view, just find it funny (in a good way) that we as fans can overlook Olaf but not plot holes dealing with politics :) I think that speaks to the power and quality of the movie honestly.
That, or we just know that every thing in a Disney movie talks. Just saying...
 

Monkee Girl

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I love it, ploy holes in a movie with a magical talking snowman :) Not making fun of that point of view, just find it funny (in a good way) that we as fans can overlook Olaf but not plot holes dealing with politics :) I think that speaks to the power and quality of the movie honestly.

Yes...the snowman. What exactly was his point in the movie again? Besides being the main marketing ploy for the movie? He shows up halfway through...sings a song about summer...and then...what? he doesn't bring the sisters together at the end. He is just there for comic relief. Delete him out of the film and the plot would have continued with or without him. But he was cute, I guess that's all that matters.

My opinion about him aside, I still believe in suspension of disbelief. I know it is going to be a story about a girl with magic powers. So I believe she can create a talking snow man. My point is the movie tries way too hard to make this movie 'realistic' where it shouldn't be when they have all this other stuff going on. I can watch Star Wars and believe in Wookies and Jedi and light sabers. But the moment a 800+ year old Yoda comes on and starts cartoon flip flopping all over in a way I KNOW is fake, it's going to take me out of the film; that suspension is over. I can't help it that that is the way I feel when I am watching movies. Disney tried to put way too much in the film and for me, as a viewer, I didn't enjoy it.
 

FitzherbertFreak

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Such as...?
Well for one thing, we all just assumed that Elsa was born with her powers. Why couldn't we see that? Huh?

How come those winter clothes just happened to fit Anna? It would have added much more comic relief if they didn't - IMO.

After Elsa dies, what happens? Does all her ice disappear, or does it all stay?

After this was all said and done, did Elsa ever tell Anna about the trolls when from when they were younger? What rely happened that day? The real memories?

Plus, what happened to Marshmallow? Hans' horse?

TOO MANY QUESTIONS
 

BigTxEars

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Yes...the snowman. What exactly was his point in the movie again? Besides being the main marketing ploy for the movie? He shows up halfway through...sings a song about summer...and then...what? he doesn't bring the sisters together at the end. He is just there for comic relief. Delete him out of the film and the plot would have continued with or without him. But he was cute, I guess that's all that matters.

My opinion about him aside, I still believe in suspension of disbelief. I know it is going to be a story about a girl with magic powers. So I believe she can create a talking snow man. My point is the movie tries way too hard to make this movie 'realistic' where it shouldn't be when they have all this other stuff going on. I can watch Star Wars and believe in Wookies and Jedi and light sabers. But the moment a 800+ year old Yoda comes on and starts cartoon flip flopping all over in a way I KNOW is fake, it's going to take me out of the film; that suspension is over. I can't help it that that is the way I feel when I am watching movies. Disney tried to put way too much in the film and for me, as a viewer, I didn't enjoy it.

No problem, all films are loved, liked or hated by different people. :)

Olaf was pure comic relief for me, some found he bonded the girls from their turning point when they were little. I loved the character because he was very well done for his role. He did save Anna with his lock pick nose so he was heroic as well!
 

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