Analysts project 10 pct attendance decline at Disney's U.S. parks

[SirGoofy]

BUT!, remember this...Not everyone can or should be able to afford disney.
I consider it a priviledge to go there.
Some never will, thats ok.

I can't even come close to agreeing with this. EVERYONE deserves one trip to a Disney park.

As Walt said, "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America ... with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world. Thank you."

 

[alecshawn]

I can't even come close to agreeing with this. EVERYONE deserves one trip to a Disney park.

As Walt said, "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America ... with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world. Thank you."

No, not ANYONE deserves ANYTHING. Unless, THEY as individuals can acheive it..
Now, those who can acheive it...DO deserve it. But, those who cant, well this isnt a handout vacation destination.
Do you think I deserve a trip to say, Europe? Well, id like to....but we just cant swing it. but thats MY fault, not Europes. I dont deserve what i havnt earned.
My point is, WDW or any Disney park is a PRIVILEDGE, not a right.
Remember, when D.L. opened..adjusted for inflation....it wasnt cheap then either.
Heck, if i want some cheap, anyone can go vacation....I'll go to the county fair.

 

[calicommando]

I see this thread turning political. . .

 

[SirGoofy]

I see this thread turning political. . .

That's why I'm not replying.

Plus I don't feed these guys.

 

[alecshawn]

That's why I'm not replying.

Plus I don't feed these guys.

Its not political, We are talking about the cost of Disney.
What do you want to do? Just make it free for everyone ONE time?
If thats the case, then i suppose someone (according to you) should fund our trip to say, Belfast.

There is a trend here, that if someone doesnt agree with someone, then the other labels one a "troll".
Thats not very mature. Or even close to being correct.
Again, WDW and just about everything in life is a priviledge. Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness.
The key word is PURSUIT....it isnt..."deserve".

 

[TP2000]

EVERYONE deserves one trip to a Disney park. As Walt said, "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America ... with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world. Thank you."

Yes, Walt said that during Disneyland's opening ceremony in the late morning of July 17th, 1955. And he didn't just mumble it, he said it very clearly in front of TV cameras, California Governor Goodwin Knight, a Protestant minister, a Catholic Priest, and a Jewish Rabbi, standing in front of the American flag and a US Marine Corps color gaurd no less! Walt meant what he said. :sohappy:

But I'm sure you aren't suggesting that Walt meant that everyone in all the world, 2.7 Billion people in 1955, were somehow guaranteed entry to Disneyland. And as Walt was planning for additional Disney theme parks when he passed away in 1966, when the world population was 3.4 Billion people, surely he didn't expect that all of them were guaranteed entry to Project X out in Florida.

The current population on the planet is now approximately 6.8 Billion people. The Magic Kingdom adds another SpectroMagic and extends operating hours when 60,000 people show up. It would take centuries to accomodate all of the Billions of people currently on the planet to give them a free ticket to Disney World. Not to mention that by 2050 the global population would have grown to 9.5 Billion, extending out the need for even more time to get everyone into the Magic Kingdom or any other Disneyland style park around the world.

Not to mention all of the extra overtime they'll need to run for those extra SpectroMagic parades!

 

[Missing20K]

Its not political, We are talking about the cost of Disney.
What do you want to do? Just make it free for everyone ONE time?

Funny you should mention that...

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/disneyparks/en_US/WhatWillYouCelebrate/index?name=WDWCelebrationsOverviewPage

 

[alecshawn]

Funny you should mention that...

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/di...ebrate/index?name=WDWCelebrationsOverviewPage

Well, there you go. I forgot about that.
See, sirgoofy.....One CAN go for free.
So, no more complaining about the cost of Disney.
Even a poor person can get in for free on their birthday.
Does this count for ALL the citizens of the world?

 

[SirGoofy]

Yes, Walt said that during Disneyland's opening ceremony in the late morning of July 17th, 1955. And he didn't just mumble it, he said it very clearly in front of TV cameras, California Governor Goodwin Knight, a Protestant minister, a Catholic Priest, and a Jewish Rabbi, standing in front of the American flag and a US Marine Corps color gaurd no less! Walt meant what he said. :sohappy:

But I'm sure you aren't suggesting that Walt meant that everyone in all the world, 2.7 Billion people in 1955, were somehow guaranteed entry to Disneyland. And as Walt was planning for additional Disney theme parks when he passed away in 1966, when the world population was 3.4 Billion people, surely he didn't expect that all of them were guaranteed entry to Project X out in Florida.

The current population on the planet is now approximately 6.8 Billion people. The Magic Kingdom adds another SpectroMagic and extends operating hours when 60,000 people show up. It would take centuries to accomodate all of the Billions of people currently on the planet to give them a free ticket to Disney World. Not to mention that by 2050 the global population would have grown to 9.5 Billion, extending out the need for even more time to get everyone into the Magic Kingdom or any other Disneyland style park around the world.

Not to mention all of the extra overtime they'll need to run for those extra SpectroMagic parades!

:lol:

Of course not, but to say only the privileged deserve to go to Disney is asinine.

 

[alecshawn]

:lol:

Of course not, but to say only the privileged deserve to go to Disney is asinine.

There is a HUGE difference between the "priviledged" and those that are priviledged to go.
I think you are having a difficult time understanding the difference.
We are FAR from "priviledged' however, we work to earn a living that gives us the ability "priviledge" to be able to take a vacation.
So, no..not just the priviledged can go to disney, but those to acheive the ability to go.
No one EVER deserves anything simply cause it feels good to say it.
Like i stated earlier, I would like a trip to europe. as of now, i havnt EARNED the priviledge to go. and thus, i dont deserve the trip...YET.
but we will keep saving!

 

[TinkerChelli]

Hi

Hi I myself was there Dec 08, and it was more busy than I have ever seen before. We had a hard time getting on some of rides, there was a wait. I just don't see many people who are big fans of Disney not going. Lets face it, after working so hard most people will save and do what they have to, to get their fix of Disney. I am sure not going to let the econmony hold me back from Disney I will find a way to go, weather that be going to a Moderate Hotel instead of a Deluxe so be it. I doubt it will change people much on Disney.
Have a Magical Day Now :wave:

 

[bjlc57]

We all have to pay to play,
I dont think 75.00 is too much though, even for one day tickets.
Heck, Six flags or Kings Island etc..will run you close to 40ish at the gate or more.
Disney is a bargain.
BUT!, remember this...Not everyone can or should be able to afford disney.
I consider it a priviledge to go there.
Some never will, thats ok.
But all in all, a WDW or DLR vacation is incredibly inexpensive compared to other family destinations.
Room rates will go down, and more perks may come. But for the "day trippers" open your wallet. You gotta pay to play.

the attitude that "not everyone can or should be able to afford disney" Stinks.


and IT WAS NOT WHAT WALT WANTED. He wanted a place that EVERYONE CAN GO TO..

its not a place for the elite but for EVERYONE. and maybe you need some self adjustment to change your attitude. ITS WRONG..

COMPLETELY WRONG.

 

[sknydave]

Ok.. Admission to Disneyland was $1 when it first opened. Visitors then had to pay for the attraction tickets which was an additional $2.50 for 8 tickets. When you take inflation into account and the astronomical costs of construction and the advanced attractions we see today, $75 is not too outlandish.

 

[kimmychad]

I don't believe this for a second. What about all those guests pouring through the gates everyday?? The company and parks are absolutely fine. I think the executives should get bonuses this quarter.

:animwink:

Where are all of the "the parks are fine" people?

in the recession we're in I'm not sure any executive should get a bonus.

didn't that exec that resigned from GM get $23 million? for what? he screwed up, helped run the company into the ground, and he gets a heck of a paycheck.

 

[alecshawn]

Ok.. Admission to Disneyland was $1 when it first opened. Visitors then had to pay for the attraction tickets which was an additional $2.50 for 8 tickets. When you take inflation into account and the astronomical costs of construction and the advanced attractions we see today, $75 is not too outlandish.

yep.

 

[alecshawn]

the attitude that "not everyone can or should be able to afford disney" Stinks.


and IT WAS NOT WHAT WALT WANTED. He wanted a place that EVERYONE CAN GO TO..

its not a place for the elite but for EVERYONE. and maybe you need some self adjustment to change your attitude. ITS WRONG..

COMPLETELY WRONG.

Rest assured, not everyone could afford to goto D.L. when it opened.
Not even close.
And, since when is it "elite" to think that someone has acheived financial stability enough to afford a vacation.
Is it elite to be middle class?
In not sure where you get that from.
I stated that it is a priviledge to go there or ANYWHERE that requires monies.
There is no "right" to go on any vacation, especially Disney.
I work hard for the priviledge to go there. As probably 99% of visitors there.
If i want a cheap or inexpensive vacation, I'll go to a fair.

 

[alecshawn]

Hi I myself was there Dec 08, and it was more busy than I have ever seen before. We had a hard time getting on some of rides, there was a wait. I just don't see many people who are big fans of Disney not going. Lets face it, after working so hard most people will save and do what they have to, to get their fix of Disney. I am sure not going to let the econmony hold me back from Disney I will find a way to go, weather that be going to a Moderate Hotel instead of a Deluxe so be it. I doubt it will change people much on Disney.
Have a Magical Day Now :wave:

Thats a good point.
We too, now with 2 kids, stay at the Values to save some $$.
However, im working a ton of O.T. NOW to save for our 2011 trip.
We want to stay at either W.L. or C.S.R.

 

[Erika]

Rest assured, not everyone could afford to goto D.L. when it opened.
Not even close.
And, since when is it "elite" to think that someone has acheived financial stability enough to afford a vacation.
Is it elite to be middle class?
In not sure where you get that from.
I stated that it is a priviledge to go there or ANYWHERE that requires monies.
There is no "right" to go on any vacation, especially Disney.
I work hard for the priviledge to go there. As probably 99% of visitors there.
If i want a cheap or inexpensive vacation, I'll go to a fair.

I get what you're saying, that a Disney trip is not an entitlement but something most people work hard to get. Not "ha ha, I can afford it and you can't."

 

[fosse76]

We all have to pay to play,
I dont think 75.00 is too much though, even for one day tickets.
Heck, Six flags or Kings Island etc..will run you close to 40ish at the gate or more.
Disney is a bargain.

How is $75 a bargain compared to $40? Particularly when the parks that charge $40 have twice the number of rides than the Magic Kingdom. They might not be themed rides...but that doesn't make them bad rides. That $75 will only get you into ONE park...if you want to "hop" to another you have to cough up an additional $50.

BUT!, remember this...Not everyone can or should be able to afford disney.

That is by far the most ridiculous statement I've seen in a while. Disney is not some playground for the upper class. Yes, not everyone CAN afford to go there...but that doesn't mean they SHOULDN'T be able to afford a visit. To think otherwise is in contrast to Walt's vision. It's also a bad business model. While upper class families most certainly have visited, it's the families that scrimp and save for maybe years that actually keep Disney in business.

I consider it a priviledge to go there.
Some never will, thats ok.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean Disney should price-gouge the people who are going simply to improve their bottom line. They raise prices without adding something new...and adding an attraction that replaces a closed attraction is NOT adding something new in terms of value.

But all in all, a WDW or DLR vacation is incredibly inexpensive compared to other family destinations.

Such as? While it COULD conceivably be cheaper than a trip to Europe, only a vacation to New York City would cost more...and that's only if the family goes to see a Broadway show. Otherwise Disney is the most expensive family destination.

Room rates will go down, and more perks may come. But for the "day trippers" open your wallet. You gotta pay to play.

Room rates will never come down...they are here to stay (and increase). At most Disney will offer discounts under certain conditions. As for Day trippers, they aren't going so they aren't "paying" to play. Perhaps if Disney sweetened the deal...such as offering free hopping with the one day or two day pass, MAYBE I could see it as a value. As of now, I wonder how much business Disney actually loses because they don't want day trippers.

 

[hokielutz]

in the recession we're in I'm not sure any executive should get a bonus.

didn't that exec that resigned from GM get $23 million? for what? he screwed up, helped run the company into the ground, and he gets a heck of a paycheck.

Actualy the office of the POTUS showed him the door. and I am sure the POTUS and staff worked out the financial arrangement with Wagoner before the news was released. Notice the lack of outrage from the top?