All things Knotts Berry Farm

[Mickey's Pal]

Wow what a joke. Since Disneyland has been so negative lately I've been wanting to visit Knotts, but since that crazy guy climbed the tower, the gang shooting took place, and now this major brawl happened - ain't no way I'm taking my baby and wife anytime soon.

Its just sad. Knott's has always been up there with Disneyland as a place with so much good family fun. Your comment is not the only one I have read like this. Similar comments were all over the internet last evening. I am sorry this has made you sour on Knott's. They need to do something ASAP.

 

[Mickey's Pal]

And this is a major theme park vlogger saying this.

 

[Phroobar]

I think you missed my point. By calling out Black (current preferred capitalization per AP and other stylebooks) you are impugning a population as their main defining attribute. And did you actually see all of them to be certain that they were all Black?

Yes. I did. It was a large roving group of over 200 kids. I was caught in a stampede of them twice.

 

[Phroobar]

If they had been a group of white kids would you have said white teenagers?

Yes I would have.

 

[Phroobar]

Yeah that was a awful response.

That wasn't quite what they said but it could have been phrased better. They were saying it would be open Sunday.

 

[Mickey's Pal]

That wasn't quite what they said but it could have been phrased better. They were saying it would be open Sunday.

My point was instead of focusing on when they would be opened next, a statement about how 'this won't be tollerated and changes are coming' would have been better.

 

[Parteecia]

Yes. I did. It was a large roving group of over 200 kids. I was caught in a stampede of them twice.

I will remain skeptical that you were able to ascertain the race of every one of over 200 people in the dark under stampede conditions. Especially since so many are mixed race nowadays.

I'm also skeptical that you would call out a group as white unless it was germane, e.g. white supremacists. I hope I'm wrong but my life experience has shown me that the odds are that I am not.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

I think a better move at this point might be for Knotts to simply introduce an age limit. Require anyone (or groups of individuals) under age 18 have a parent or guardian over age 25 present at park entry. Check IDs at the turnstiles.

Offer pro-rated refund if people have a problem with it. Otherwise it might be better to simply go to reservation only and strict capacity limits.

 

[Mickey's Pal]

I will remain skeptical that you were able to ascertain the race of every one of over 200 people in the dark under stampede conditions. Especially since so many are mixed race nowadays.

I'm also skeptical that you would call out a group as white unless it was germane, e.g. white supremacists. I hope I'm wrong but my life experience has shown me that the odds are that I am not.

It is well reported in all the news outlets, people who were there, and videos of the the fights.

 

[Parteecia]

It is well reported in all the news outlets, people who were there, and videos of the the fights.

News outlets I read (local TV stations & newspapers) did not call out race. I watched as much of the shaky vids as my motion sickness could take. I stand by my statements.

 

[Phroobar]

My point was instead of focusing on when they would be opened next, a statement about how 'this won't be tolleeated and changes are coming' would have been better.

Totally agree.i wonder what the minimum age they let in without an adult. I remember at one time Disneyland let in unaccompanied minors over the age 13 in. That's probably not the case anymore.

 

[Mickey's Pal]

News outlets I read (local TV stations & newspapers) did not call out race. I watched as much of the shaky vids as my motion sickness could take. I stand by my statements.

There are a ton of news outlets that talk about the race plus numerous videos online showing the actual violence. Plus this very thread had someone who was there tell you a first hand account of the race of the teenagers. I rest my case.

 

[Mickey's Pal]

Totally agree.i wonder what the minimum age they let in without an adult. I remember at one time Disneyland let in unaccompanied minors over the age 13 in. That's probably not the case anymore.

No one under 18 alone would work for me.

 

[Stevek]

It's getting pretty ridiculous that every. little. thing. is causing people to be offended. Phroobar shared the actual facts of what happened. He didn't make anything up. He did not make a racist comment, he merely stated exactly what he saw and exactly what I've seen reported and seen on multiple videos. Pathetic that folks are jumping on him...there's a time and a place for calling someone out. This time wasn't it.

In any case, it's a shame this has happened and Knott's had another issue. I don't know what the solve is, I don't think age limits will solve it. The solve is very likely economic i.e higher prices but it's unlikely Knott's can or will do that. They are a value alternative to Disney.

 

[Parteecia]

There are a ton of news outlets that talk about the race plus numerous videos online showing the actual violence.

Not NBC, CBS, ABC, KTLA, LA Times. Not even Fox or OC Register.

I'm done. Too much work for posts that will most likely be deleted.

Knott's Reopens After Fights Force Early Saturday Night Closure

Knott’s Berry Farm reopened Sunday morning after closing early due to multiple fights breaking out.

www.nbclosangeles.com

Knott's Berry Farm shut down after multiple fights among teens break out, park says

Knott's Berry Farm was expected to reopen Sunday after the park was shut down Saturday night following reports of multiple fights inside.

abc7.com

Multiple fights break out at Knott's Berry Farm, prompts police response, early park closure

Buena Park police responded to the park at around 7: 30 p.m. after several 911 calls and notification from Knott's security about the fights.

www.cbsnews.com

Knott's Berry Farm stepping up security after multiple fights force park to close early

Some of the fighting was captured on video and posted on social media as teenagers threw punches on a street outside the Buena Park venue

www.latimes.com

Knott's Berry Farm reopens after multiple fights among teens closes park early

Multiple fights at Knott's Berry Farm forced the park to close early Saturday. Three people were injured according to the Orange County Fire Authority.

www.foxla.com

Knott’s Berry Farm reopens Sunday after fights shut it down early Saturday night

Police were called to the park around 7:30 p.m. Saturday. Multiple fights broke out and 2 people were hospitalized.

www.ocregister.com

‘Multiple fights,’ but no gunfire at Knott’s Berry Farm: Police

Knott’s Berry Farm closed Saturday night as the Buena Park Police Department responded to “multiple fights” at the park. While there were reports of gunfire, officers “deter…

ktla.com

 

[Phroobar]

A problem that Knotts is it considered a babysitter much like Disneyland was before the pandemic and high AP prices. It probably still is for richer children that watch the reservation system. People would drop off their teenagers for the day in the summer and pick them up at closing. Disneyland policy is

Guests under 14 years of age must be accompanied by a Guest age 14 years of age or older to enter Disneyland Park and Disney California Adventure Park.

I'm guessing Knott's is similar but I couldn't find it listed anywhere. Still a twelve year old accompanied by her older bother of fourteen can do anything in the park until closing at midnight seems crazy but I think it is where the theme park as a babysitter idea came from.

A bored unaccompanied child with his friends will do anything like leave trash every, line jump, shoplift, graffiti walls and purposely break things. But since the theme park is considered the babysitter, these children's welfares is their concern according to the parents.

 

[jrayfarm]

It's getting pretty ridiculous that every. little. thing. is causing people to be offended. Phroobar shared the actual facts of what happened. He didn't make anything up. He did not make a racist comment, he merely stated exactly what he saw and exactly what I've seen reported and seen on multiple videos. Pathetic that folks are jumping on him...there's a time and a place for calling someone out. This time wasn't it.

In any case, it's a shame this has happened and Knott's had another issue. I don't know what the solve is, I don't think age limits will solve it. The solve is very likely economic i.e higher prices but it's unlikely Knott's can or will do that. They are a value alternative to Knott's.

As a black man, I am not “easily offended”. I was simply pointing out that the race if the teens was not relevant to the story, and did not be mentioned. All major news outlets did not mention the race of the teens, because it was not relevant to the story.

If the fights were happening due to some racial tension or situation? Mention it. If a suspect is at large and you need the public’s help in locating or mentioning it? Go for it. If you’re describing an event that happened and race isn’t playing a part, no need to mention it. Others mentioned it likely wouldn’t have come up if it were large groups of white teens fighting, and that’s true.

To the original poster, @Phroobar my intent wasn’t meant to be accusatory, although my first comment was rather knee jerk (too many years of seeing Nextdoor posts about “suspicious behavior” in my neighborhood, where the only thing was suspicious was the race of the person walking down the street). I’m sorry you had to go through a scary experience last night. And I know you know that is not representative of all black teens. However, comments like that do reinforce an unnecessary narrative that we, as a society, need to move beyond. Words have power both overtly and subtly.

 

[Phroobar]

I state honestly what I saw with no other commentary and the pc police make new anonymous accounts to yell at me. Too bad I didn't get a picture of it but when your looking for safety it is a little hard. Of course these jerks would say I photoshopped the images. I'm glad the ignore button works on this site.

 

[Phroobar]

Anyway, I did get some new pictures of the new Pizzeria at Knotts. It is pretty impressive. I understand they are doing something similar to Festival Village for next year. This really pulls the area together. The pizza is still pretty bad but the pasta and salads are good.

Here is the new seating area in a carved out lower floor of the theater.

The new bathroom has communal sinks but separate doors for men and women. There are two new family restrooms too.

 

[Phroobar]

I like Knotts because of the live rock bands they bring in. Too bad Disneyland doesn't do that anymore. Here is one of the bands I saw on a different day.