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All things Knotts Berry Farm
- Thread starter Phroobar
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Maybe Knotts can buy some discarded AA figures from Splash Mountain to add to the Return to the Fair shooter?
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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And here is another reason why that comparison of yours doesn't work... Kingdom was a completely different ride inside the building than Berry Tales. It wasn't an overlay. same building two different rides and experiences.
Sharon&Susan
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Knott's Preserved Revised Edition Pg 155
"With no time to spare the beloved characters and numerous props within Knott's Bear-y Tales were tossed out, placed in storage, or moved to Camp Snoopy's Fun House. The ride vehicle and track remained, but the Bear-y family an their colorful friends were replaced by an edgy and more educational trip through time, Kingdom of the Dinosaurs."
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Who are the guys in this video? they are horrible and unfunny. and they are not really showing the ride
Homemade Imagineering
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Judging by this video, if you look closely you can see the Fortune Teller’s Camp scene present in the show building, as a physical set piece, which seems to be a good sign that there will be a significant amount of physical set usage blending with the screens. According to Knotts Bear-y tales preserved on YouTube, the attraction will be a significant improvement over Iron Reef, so that seems to be comforting, although I don’t know how credible they are. Based on what Triotech said at IAAPA last year, it seems this might be true.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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yeah same track and vehicles only painted. but the rides are not the same. that is like saying Dinosaure and Indiana Jones Adventure are the same ride which they are not at all even though they use same vehicle and ride layout. Kingdom was nothing like Berry Tales
Not sure about the other guy but Gary Owen's was a radio announcer in Los Angeles in the '70s. He seemed to be on channel 5 KTTV a lot. He the announcer on Laugh In. He did a lot of deadpan jokes.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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That video was too focused on them and not the ride.
Rich T
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Exact same track layout and ride sytem. It was an overlay.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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No. HM is an overlay where you go through the mansion decorated with NBC junk but the Bear-Y Tales and Kingdom of the Dinosaur building really is just a black box that you can completely hollow out and put whatever ride you want in there. There was nooo trace of Bear-Y Tales when Kingdom took over. You would never know a different ride used to be in there. same can be said when it turned to iron reef and they really changed the track layout and added screens. Kingdom was not an overlay. You got entire new sets and AAs in the old show space. The same wont be said of splash mountain. it will be the same mountain only with princess and the frog junk in it.
Rich T
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‘Scuse me. I rode Beary Tales many times and then rode KotD right after it opened, and BOY could my friend and I recognize the entire infrastructure of Beary Tales and even props that were reskinned without being moved. Kingdom of the Dinosaurs used the same track, track layout and ride system as Beary Tales. They didn’t move the track. They left the Beary Tales rooms intact and put new sets and animals in the rooms. They did not gut the building. Where they could, they left a few scenic elements like rockwork in place and repainted it.
The Professor’s Time Machine was the Beary Tales Pie Machine. The portal where you go over the hump to initially go back in time? That was the hump leading into Frog Forest. The next rooms were reskins of tbe Gypsy Camp, the downhill ramp of Thunder Cave, The Weird Woods...
And you know the big room with the T Rex and Pterodactyl? That was the Fair. The rooms had the same entryways, same exits, same track layouts (because the ride system worked like a cable car: they couldn’t just rearrange track.)
To me, that counts as a permanent overlay. Rather extensive, but the entire Beary Tales ride system, track layout, room sequence and some scenic elements were still there.
So, yeah. It seems to me Knotts did the same thing Disney’s doing to Splash: Replacing a charming singing animal theme with something “Today’s Youth” will relate to more.
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I disagree. The rides are different, the stories are different, different sound track. The professor does not have a giant time machine, the time machine is just the portal. the rest of that space is his office. i agree the track is the same and the vehicles are the same but different paint scheme but that is where the comparison ends. Bear-y tales does not take you back in time. None of the Bear-Y tale AAs were still on the ride. The scenes were different unless Bear-Y tales ended with you passing by the bones of dead Bears.
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Rich T
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You and I have a different definition of “overlay.”
Beary Tales & KotD: Same ride, different stories.
Splash Mtn. & Frog Mtn.: Same ride, different stories.
(Edit) I should call it a retheme, not an overlay.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Maybe but Dinos was the better and far more interesting ride which is why it lasted longer. We agree to disagree sir. You can at least agree putting in an original ride like Kingdom is better than what they are going to do with princess and the frog inside splash mountain. and hopefully we can agree that putting anything other than Iron Reef in that building was a good choice. I look forward to riding the new Bear-Y tales ride....and Beary Tales was a better story.(Just my opinion).
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I disagree. that is like calling Dinosaur in WDW and Indiana Jones Adventure the same ride.
Kingdom of the Dinosaurs was a completely different show and overall ride in a building you could put any dark ride in.
Haunted Mansion was designed only for Haunted Mansion and HMH is a overlay that takes over the existing show scenes. Even still use Madam Liotta.
Splash was designed just for the song of the south characters hence the ride ends with the briar patch drop and then the reveal brer rabbit is alive and well.
Tower of Terror same thing as splash. Putting a guardians overlay over the building was ugly and stupid and just putting in screens instead of the previous shows scenes we got was stupid. playing pop music was stupid.
mission break out and hmh are overlays, Kingdom was not.
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Professortango1
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Gutted sets. An overlay is when you modify the existing attraction and show scenes. I'd be more supportive of the Splash situation if Disney was ripping the sets out and taking it down to bare beams to recreate. But they are not. Its going to be a Mission Breakout makeover.
Professortango1
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Haunted Hayride was hiring as of a few days ago. Interesting enough, the same team does Hayride, Queen Mary, and select Knotts mazes. They do great work.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Haunts are cancelled. With movie theaters going from getting ready for new movies to closing again in 2 weeks, it's a huge financial risk when your event can be shut down without much notice depending upon current numbers.
Our theatre company will be canceling all shows through January as we can't realistically invest money into events that likely won't happen or will have restrictions which are cost-preventative.
How many Scare Actors get sick/hoarse the first few weeks? The late nights, the cold weather with very physical work, the vocal strain, etc. Now, an employee cannot be a trooper and come in sick. They're out until they can be cleared. It's just not very feasible with everything going on.
Rich T
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The thing about the P&tF retheme, though: This is a strange, unique case where the general flow of PatF fits the existing ride so perfectly that there’s actually no need to rip everything out. Everybody who’s seen PatF and is familiar with Splash Mtn. can instantly mentally overlay the newer film onto the existing ride. Five years from now, they can remove whatever subtitle they’re going to initially saddle the rethemed ride with, go back to just calling it Splash Mountain, and it will go on to make millions of people happy with its PatF theme for 30 years.
It’s hard to imagine them messing this up; all they have to do is the obvious... Okay, now I’m a bit concerned.