All Epcot, All the Time (aka Has Disney given up on SSE?)

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DisneyMusician2

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We Epcot enthusiasts forget how poorly Epcot was received in it second year. For many the layman, the park is an improvement over it previous iterations. Not that I agree, but just throwing it out there.
 
One Lil Spark

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Mr.EPCOT

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mcjaco said:
Another reason I take everything he says as a grain of salt.
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He's got good historical articles, like about the Muppets, Star Tours, Disney's America, etc., but I realize that whatever rumor articles he does is probably stretching the truth quite a bit.

One Lil Spark said:
*Shows off new avatar for upcoming WDW trip*

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Isn't that in one of Martin's tribute videos?

EpcotServo said:
Who didn't like Freakin' HORIZONS?
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Jim freakin' Hill, that's who!
 
marni1971

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DisneyMusician2 said:
We Epcot enthusiasts forget how poorly Epcot was received in it second year. For many the layman, the park is an improvement over it previous iterations. Not that I agree, but just throwing it out there.
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It was actually rather more successful than people make out; in spring 1983 3000 spaces were added to the parking lot since there wasn`t enough room to park all the guests. The grassed area which was paved was only originally for emmergency overflow, and brought the lot capacity up to 9000 - which was regularly full during 1983.
 
mcjaco

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^ Which lot was that, Martin? I need to go back and look at my videos to see if we captured that. Among other things. ;)
 
Mr.EPCOT

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mcjaco said:
^ Which lot was that, Martin? I need to go back and look at my videos to see if we captured that. Among other things. ;)
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I would assume that it was the Wonder lot, it certainly seems like a section that could have been added to the parking lot later.
 
DisneyMusician2

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marni1971 said:
It was actually rather more successful than people make out; in spring 1983 3000 spaces were added to the parking lot since there wasn`t enough room to park all the guests. The grassed area which was paved was only originally for emmergency overflow, and brought the lot capacity up to 9000 - which was regularly full during 1983.
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I thought the attendance greatly dropped off in the second and their year of the park.

But I won't argue with the treasure trove of information that is Martin..:)
 
EPCOT Explorer

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Aaaand another ignorance point for Mr. Jim Hill.:dazzle::ROFLOL:
mcjaco said:
Which lot was that, Martin? I need to go back and look at my videos to see if we captured that. Among other things.;)
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That you do, Mr. MoonBase82.;):lol:
 
tirian

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DisneyMusician2 said:
I thought the attendance greatly dropped off in the second and their year of the park.

But I won't argue with the treasure trove of information that is Martin..:)
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No, Epcot's attendance didn't drop until it got stale in the early 90s. Contrary to the urban myth that EPCOT Center was initially a failure, it was extremely popular. Heck, it was even featured on VH1's "I Love the Eighties"—it was really that much of a cultural icon!*

I think most of the "EPCOT Center was a failure" myth comes from how Guests asked where the Disney characters were. People didn't leave because of that; they just wanted to know. Disney added them, and EPCOT did just fine. Some vocal critics also complained the EPCOT was too commercial, but they completely missed the point—it WAS a permanent World's Fair.

Anyway, Epcot got stale in the early 90s, and by the mid 90s, it was basically just a set of omnimovers while the MK had Splash Mt. and AE, and DMGM had ToT.

*And you can watch Justin Timberlake say it was boring, while everybody else says they loved it. Nobody ever said Justin was smart.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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tirian said:
No, Epcot's attendance didn't drop until it got stale in the early 90s. Contrary to the urban myth that EPCOT Center was initially a failure, it was extremely popular. Heck, it was even featured on VH1's "I Love the Eighties"—it was really that much of a cultural icon!*

I think most of the "EPCOT Center was a failure" myth comes from how Guests asked where the Disney characters were. People didn't leave because of that; they just wanted to know. Disney added them, and EPCOT did just fine. Some vocal critics also complained the EPCOT was too commercial, but they completely missed the point—it WAS a permanent World's Fair.

Anyway, Epcot got stale in the early 90s, and by the mid 90s, it was basically just a set of omnimovers while the MK had Splash Mt. and AE, and DMGM had ToT.

*And you can watch Justin Timberlake say it was boring, while everybody else says they loved it. Nobody ever said Justin was smart.
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Agreed on all points...

How terribly ironic that we think it is stale with TOO MANY characters.:lol:
 
marni1971

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Mr.EPCOT said:
I would assume that it was the Wonder lot, it certainly seems like a section that could have been added to the parking lot later.
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`twas indeed Wonder - and I could tell you original name if I could find my 1987 parking ticket...
 
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