Alcohol in the Magic Kingdom

[flynnibus]

I agree with you that discounting a percieved negative action because fiscally it will payoff is generally a bad idea.

Where we disagree is that this is a negative action. I look at it more like adding an enhancement for many guests and it's profitable for the company too. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

Note, I didn't call this change a negative action in itself.. I personally don't have an issue with alcohol in the parks. But... I respect the people that made that decision.. it was an intentional one.. and it worked very well for them. So if that's the identity they want to maintain.. It's not a big enough impact to me to really be opposed to it.

The negative action label comes from Tony The Tiger's assertion that started with..

That's how business works. You can't please everyone so you go with the formula that displeases the least.

And his justifications for claiming that's just business and 'reality'.. and I pointed out that great companies didn't get great, or stay great, by flushing their ideals simply to 'displease the least'

 

[**Stacy**]

Surprised it took this long. If anything it benefits the servers at the MK table service restaurants tip wise. I very rarely drink, it takes me too long to recover after just one. I am still stewing over the loss of the Comedy Warehouse and Adventurer's Club( did you know they are selling Adventurer's Club t-shirts right now at Disney Springs?!?!!? grrrr), I don't have any energy left to get worked up about drinks at the MK. I am pretty sure the MK was the only theme park gate to not have alcohol in Central Florida..hey is the Holy Land still open and are they a dry theme park?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I was going to have a drink this Christmas, but reading some of these posts...maybe I shouldn't:
1) the drink will be in the presence of children
2) the day and environment are for families, mainly children
3) I might fall into the tree
Hmmm. My life is at a crossroads. Thanks to those who have enlightened me.
(thank you to WDWMagic for the sarcastic emoji)

Ha!

Do you need help defining 'analogy'? The concept being discussed was discounting a percieved negative action because fiscally it will payoff.... not bound by the specific type a action.

</moves goalposts back to where they were>

I agree with you that discounting a percieved negative action because fiscally it will payoff is generally a bad idea.

Where we disagree is that this is a negative action. I look at it more like adding an enhancement for many guests and it's profitable for the company too. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

Thank you, GoofGoof, that was nearly identical to what I was about to type in response.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Note, I didn't call this change a negative action in itself.. I personally don't have an issue with alcohol in the parks. But... I respect the people that made that decision.. it was an intentional one.. and it worked very well for them. So if that's the identity they want to maintain.. It's not a big enough impact to me to really be opposed to it.

The negative action label comes from Tony The Tiger's assertion that started with..


And his justifications for claiming that's just business and 'reality'.. and I pointed out that great companies didn't get great, or stay great, by flushing their ideals simply to 'displease the least'

Sooo...you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Got it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Note, I didn't call this change a negative action in itself.. I personally don't have an issue with alcohol in the parks. But... I respect the people that made that decision.. it was an intentional one.. and it worked very well for them. So if that's the identity they want to maintain.. It's not a big enough impact to me to really be opposed to it.

The negative action label comes from Tony The Tiger's assertion that started with..


And his justifications for claiming that's just business and 'reality'.. and I pointed out that great companies didn't get great, or stay great, by flushing their ideals simply to 'displease the least'

Fair enough, but I think somewhere in this discussion we skipped the debate on whether this was a good or bad idea and went right to the should they or shouldn't they do it. Not necessarily you directly, just the tone in general.

 

[21stamps]

I was going to have a drink this Christmas, but reading some of these posts...maybe I shouldn't:
1) the drink will be in the presence of children
2) the day and environment are for families, mainly children
3) I might fall into the tree
Hmmm. My life is at a crossroads. Thanks to those who have enlightened me.
(thank you to WDWMagic for the sarcastic emoji)

...you forgot another thing we learned- inappropriate groping happens when people drink.

 

[The_Jobu]

...you forgot another thing we learned- inappropriate groping happens when people drink.

You've been talking to the princesses again, haven't you?

 

[21stamps]

You've been talking to the princesses again, haven't you?

Lol..heard it they the grapevine.
My squad would be more like Rey, Jyn, and even Judy Hopps instead of Cinderella and her crew .

 

[flynnibus]

Sooo...you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Got it.

No, its about what to expect from Disney... but we've already qualified your savvy, so I'll let it speak for itself.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

You've been talking to the princesses again, haven't you?

Frankly, if one were to talk to the friends of princesses, I think they might agree that as young girls in fantasy dresses they could do without encountering forty year old drunk guys.

And that's putting it mildly.

 

[The_Jobu]

Frankly, if one were to talk to the friends of princesses, I think they might agree that as young girls in fantasy dresses they could do without encountering forty year old drunk guys.

And that's putting it mildly.

It's comforting to know that soon there will be booze nearby for them after a tough shift.

 

[matt9112]

Controversial opinion here....

Don't take your kid to a bar. Crazy, I know.

depends i would never sit my son at a bar counter but restaurants that focus on drink sales....sure. granted my son also acts pretty proper and if he doesn't we go wait in car. (has only had to be done once) its called respect for fellow guests and it has nothing to do with de facto children but more so class.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

A little report from the first night. I was talking to my friends who work in park and it was REALLY popular. Among the reports was that at cinderella's castle that apparently the champagne was a big hit. I was told that they ran out of it. However they are apparently able to get more delivered today... thats how popular it was.

 

[Bandini]

depends i would never sit my son at a bar counter but restaurants that focus on drink sales....sure. granted my son also acts pretty proper and if he doesn't we go wait in car. (has only had to be done once) its called respect for fellow guests and it has nothing to do with de facto children but more so class.

Yes, but the problem is that there are some parents who ignore their little snowflakes, regardless of how disruptive their behavior is. On top of that, the restaurant management is too chicken to confront the neglectful parents. So everyone's evening is not quite so peaceful.
So, I think there should be adult only venues.

 

[The_Jobu]

A little report from the first night. I was talking to my friends who work in park and it was REALLY popular. Among the reports was that at cinderella's castle that apparently the champagne was a big hit. I was told that they ran out of it. However they are apparently able to get more delivered today... thats how popular it was.

I still cant believe they don't serve it in a glass slipper...

 

[Bandini]

I still cant believe they don't serve it in a glass slipper...

That will be the next upcharge: Andre champagne served in a glass slipper for only $1,000. But it does come with a commemorative photograph

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This may have already been addressed, but is there a reason why The Plaza and Crystal Palace won't serve alcohol (at least yet)?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Yes, but the problem is that there are some parents who ignore their little snowflakes, regardless of how disruptive their behavior is. On top of that, the restaurant management is too chicken to confront the neglectful parents. So everyone's evening is not quite so peaceful.
So, I think there should be adult only venues.

Management will more or less have to say something if you say something to management.

 

[GoofGoof]

This may have already been addressed, but is there a reason why The Plaza and Crystal Palace won't serve alcohol (at least yet)?

Good question. I think maybe The Plaza is a little less formal so maybe that's why it was left out. It's still considered table service for DDP but the menu is a lot of sandwiches and more casual stuff. I assume maybe Crystal Palace because it's a character buffet? But so is Cindy's. Maybe they prefer to turn the tables over faster. Another possibility is that Pooh is an angry drunk

 

[mf1972]

Good question. I think maybe The Plaza is a little less formal so maybe that's why it was left out. It's still considered table service for DDP but the menu is a lot of sandwiches and more casual stuff. I assume maybe Crystal Palace because it's a character buffet? But so is Cindy's. Maybe they prefer to turn the tables over faster. Another possibility is that Pooh is an angry drunk

it gets real ugly when he doesn't get his honey port stout