After wishes magic goes away fast

[boufa]

Some of these replies have been down right mean. To you all, must be nice to live your perfect Zen lives.

This was not a post about shelfishness. This was a post questioning Disney's effectiveness at moving the crowd. It was not crying about it, it was a genuine question/discussion point. I did watch wishes the next night from the TTC near the ferry dock and thought the view was great.

I thought the fantasmic and illuminations crowds were great. They did not have to take as much transport to get out of the parks. The monorails were overwhelmed.period. Disney was pushing the closure of the monorails and the trams. Period. The 2 FACTS helped move the crowd problem from understandable to a problem. It was the most un-disney moment of the entire trip.

I am a little suprised that in a website where every burned out lightbuld creates a large screen from the community just how "its Disney deal it" you can be. I know its a fact of life... To a point.... But I still think they could move crowds a little better.

Like I pointed out before... They were only running half the trams. They were not using villians lot and not running those trams. Also as an emergency responder I can tell you that it is dangerous to have such a limited capability to move those crowds.

 

[boufa]

At no time did I ask for no crowds, or my own personal exit. I know there will be crowds. I also know that the reason that crowds exit out of the other parks so well is that there is no monorail/TTC. I could hold a rock concert in my backyard but since it is not designed for it or capable of handling the crowds it would be irrisponsible of me to do it.

I never once complained about waiting in line, if that line is reasonable for the circumstances. If they were running toy story at 50% and then had a hour or more wait then Disney is at fault. They are building additional dunno capacity, they are making the lines more interactive, and then they are dumping the entire magic kingdom down a sidewalk 8 feet wide and onto one of 4? Monorail trains.

Maybe add bus service from the mk to the TTC for the first hour after wishes. Or run trams from the park to the ttc during that time. There are solutions to help the issue, should Disney consider it a problem. Based on how well Disney moves crowds 99% of the time, I would consider it a problem.

 

[muse1983]

This is a complete Disney failure. After wishes you and your kids get caught in a long, hot, tired, cattle drive. I am being touched in places I don't wsnt to discuss. My kid has been hit in the head with several backpacks, my group has been seperated, and right now I have list all desire to ever come back.

What the heck. You want to sit in the car and say "wow, what a great day!" But instead we are going to be thrilled about surviving.... AND THIS WAS A SLOW DAY!!!

Its not the first time, this is a nightly experience.

How is this magic? How does Disney put themselves into this clearly bad cs scenerio.

Simple solution...don't try and rush out after Wishes is over. Instead head towards FL, hang out for 20 minutes then slowly start making your way out. The only reason you are putting yourself in the stressful situations is because your choosing to..

 

[rct247]

While I think that crowd control situations can be better, it honestly will only get better if Disney had the full cooperation and understanding of it's guests. Let's face it, a human being is going to focus on where they need to go and use their immediate surroundings to figure out how to get there, however, when everyone is trying to do that at once it doesn't work.

Honestly, the only real way to completely fix crowd problems is to strictly enforce rules of the road and not just "stay to your right", but more like:
-Guests have to exit in orderly single file lines.
-Families and friends can only walk 2 across no more.
-Strollers and Wheelchairs would have designated lanes.
-If you need to get to a store, you may just have to go further down the path, make an appropriate u-turn at a guest pathway traffic light, and make your way back.
-One way streets may be strictly enforced.
-Designated pull over areas for guests who need to stop and regroup or figure out a map or take a picture.
-Guests can't eat or text while walking.
-Guest walking speed requirements.

Obviously, these aren't completely possible. People haven't learned to walk like they drive. Other countries drive differently, language barriers, and who would enforce it. Would you get a ticket if you stopped to take a picture in a no stopping zone on your vacation?

Best thing you can do in crowds is be VERY VERY patient, polite, but somewhat vocal. I go to the parks enough to know how the crowd control people set things up, so I'm very vocal with my group on things like "we need to move to the right because that is what they will want us to do" or "up ahead you can only go left or right, so we will go right to get to the Hub". The result is that other guests pick up on it and listen in on how you know what you are talking about. If you arn't moving in a traffic jam on Main Street, don't start yelling for people to move, just patiently wait. All Disney traffic jams either work themselves out or will eventually have help to fix the situation.

Disney can't just widen Main Street to accommodate 40,000 people to exit the park at once, imagine what it would look like: the street would be as wide as a highway with no obstructions like trash cans, poles, curbs or trees. Disney can't tell people when they can or can't exit a park to even out crowd levels like they can when they are admitting people. If guests' want to leave, they have to be given that choice.

Disney isn't completely out of the wrong, but the guests are the big majority of the issue. Don't be so predictable sometimes.

 

[BigTxEars]

Some of these replies have been down right mean. To you all, must be nice to live your perfect Zen lives.

This was not a post about shelfishness. This was a post questioning Disney's effectiveness at moving the crowd. It was not crying about it, it was a genuine question/discussion point. I did watch wishes the next night from the TTC near the ferry dock and thought the view was great.

I thought the fantasmic and illuminations crowds were great. They did not have to take as much transport to get out of the parks. The monorails were overwhelmed.period. Disney was pushing the closure of the monorails and the trams. Period. The 2 FACTS helped move the crowd problem from understandable to a problem. It was the most un-disney moment of the entire trip.

I am a little suprised that in a website where every burned out lightbuld creates a large screen from the community just how "its Disney deal it" you can be. I know its a fact of life... To a point.... But I still think they could move crowds a little better.

Like I pointed out before... They were only running half the trams. They were not using villians lot and not running those trams. Also as an emergency responder I can tell you that it is dangerous to have such a limited capability to move those crowds.

No offense but you should not be surprised at the responses, your OP sounded somewhat negative and to me (and it appears to others as well) it sounded a wee bit selfish. You sounded like you enjoyed the Wishes show but then wanted to somehow avoid the crowd afterwards, the thing is that everybody would love to do the same. I do not think anybody was trying to be mean but just point out the fact that there are ways to avoid it and that you (and everyone for that matter) should expect the herd movement afterwards.

Your follow up post to those offering advice asked them if they had any kids, as if to say they did not understand you situation. The fact is that most of us here most likely have kids so that was not a very constructive way to respond to advice you seemed to disagree with. It's seems like the sitting in the park after the show solution is very viable for families.

Long story short is that if you are feeling any negativity it is because the way you presented/posted this matter originally. Again not trying to be ugly but just honest. :wave:

 

[wdwmomof3]

Simple solution...don't try and rush out after Wishes is over. Instead head towards FL, hang out for 20 minutes then slowly start making your way out. The only reason you are putting yourself in the stressful situations is because your choosing to..

I have found that this works best for us too. The lines to the bus, tram & monorail are all insane right after Wishes. We have been going to see Wishes on nights with EMH so that we can wait for a little while and then make our escape before the last of them come out. It really is magical to be able to relax when you leave the park at night. It's so much better than the mad rush!

 

[lazyboy97o]

They did not have to take as much transport to get out of the parks. The monorails were overwhelmed.period. Disney was pushing the closure of the monorails and the trams. Period. The 2 FACTS helped move the crowd problem from understandable to a problem. It was the most un-disney moment of the entire trip.

While the transportation around or across the Seven Seas Lagoon adds a hold point, it does nothing to address you complaint, which stems from a fundmental flaw in the design of the Disneylands. Main Street, USA is a single, narrow means of leaving the park that is burdened by its shops, which create a distraction from the objective of leaving the park. I think Disneyland Paris is also helped not just by the arcades, but also because guests are able to enter the beam from directly underneath the train station, versus traffic being forced around the sides. Tokyo Disneyland, while also crowded, probably also benefits from the lack fo a train station, with traffic down Main Street not being diverted around as it leaves World Bazaar.

 

[Disaddict]

^ This

(that is for those on the wdwmagic peeves thread. LOL)

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

I will never forget the time we thought it would be fun to watch Spectromagic at the front gate first run and attempting to get back. We watched Wishes from the middle of Main Street USA planning to get back to frontierland. As the show ebded everyone facing the castle but us turned around towards the enterance like they were trying to stampede us. Now we go to the parks on a late night, wishes as close as we can to the castle and an excape to Adventureland so we can get to Splash Mountain without getting injured.

 

[britdaw]

^ this

(that is for those on the wdwmagic peeves thread. Lol)